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the "R" word
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religion.......never been religious in any way,in fact i hate the whole concept of religion.i think that i respect the beliefs of others,but do i?? when i disagree so much with religious extremists?
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I respect the beliefs of people being muslim, believing in allah, mohammed etc
I do not respect extremists. In these cases I think religion is used as an excuse for extremism, and a tool for mean (but fairly intelligent people) to manipulate the masses into doing their bidding, ie suicide bombings
Quite. However, Religion is a form of control anyway... especially in these Arabic states or the US... its scary how well it is used.
of course not, they are probably a poorly educated minority - you just need to look to what the vast majority of the preachers (or whatever the proper name for leaders of islam prayer) say every time; they completely disagree and disown terrorist acts, as murder is not something taught in the Koran.
& I would agree, religion is a form of control :yes:
I completely agree :yes:
but then any set of beliefs, even not under the name of "religion", (although this is usually the case) will lead to meeting people opposed to those beliefs. and there will always be people who are willing to take things too far to get others to agree with their point of view.
thankfully, more educated&rational people are likely work these differences out peacefully.
good link
I like what Einstein said: "I do not believe in the immortality of the individual, and I consider ethics to be an exclusively human concern without any superhuman authority behind it."
Quite. Some people need something they can beleive is true, in a world of uncertain things. Something they can accept as a "fact". And be told it is so.
Like when I was a child I never went anywhere without my cudly rooster.
I think religion is mainly about people imposing their beliefs on another, which I don't think is respecting a persons right to their own beliefs. Otherwise, why the need for religion? Surely we could just have open debate about our personal views on something?
I was brought up a Protestant, both baptised and confirmed and I served in the church there. I read a the lectern, sang in the choir, became head chorrister at one point...
It's wierd because a lotta people who were raised like this seem to hold some contempt towards the church, I don't miss any if it.
I respect all religions, although I don't like the way they're twisted to take advantage of people or hurt people. No religion truelly condones hatred, not even Satanism.
So you're a mongrelist then
Yea I read up on a Satanist site and according to them, they're really misunderstood...that Satan is an angelic type person and weird stuff like that.
I was brought up a Catholic but am not a practising one...I have no time for religion in my life.
Retaliation against infidels would appear to be justified.
Satanism most definitely does condone hatred, as part of retaliation for wrong doing and such like - not that Satanism could really be considered a religion, as only a small minority actually worship the 'diety' of Satan.
My religions parody, mock and disrespect themselves, as well as every other religion*. Fundamentalists are always game targets, whether they are Islamic, Christian or political ideologues. They sure as hell don't respect your beliefs, so why should you respect anyone who would force their way on life on you if given the chance?
(*Discordian/Subgenius, if you must know. PM me if you desperately want details or something.)
Satanism does not involve submission to a deity, or to a set or doctrines set in stone like many religious paths, athough there are different paths and guidelines within them, for example LaVey's church of Satan. It is usually about advancement of the self, sometimes with spiritual guidance, often with philosophical guidance.
Yes, it states revenge instead of turning the other cheek, it says to give kindness to those who deserve it, but it also teaches not to harm the vulnerable or be cruel to animals.
Satanism represents so many assets of what the atheist is, Satanism (in my view) is essentially human nature when we let go of the Divine, it is the way we usually act towards each other. It preaches hatred no more than any other religion.
Why don't ya consider Satanism a religion?
He admits Satanic dogma is baseless and without higher purpose, so LaVeyan satanism can't be classed as a religion. It's a pseudo-philosophy based on self-aggrandisement and little else.
I would therefore only consider the minority who actually worship a deity as 'religious'.
The philosophy of do to others as they do to you teaches vengeance and hateful actions against those who have perpetrated likewise against you, so hatred is clearly permissable under that circumstance.
It doesn't teach hateful actions, just revenge... And revenge is what you make of it. It hardly says to go out and kill children, or persecute homosexuals... As for being a"pseudo-philosophy" I'd remove the 'pseudo' part personally... Some Satanic philosophies have their roots with the Enlightenment period unless I'm mistaken... Enlightenment philosophies often are centred around rationalism.
If Satanism is not a religion, then neither is Buddhism, Taoism of Confucianism (if that's the right way to say it).
What about the Temple of Set? Or the ONA? Independent Setists?
Religion —sometimes used interchangeably with faith or belief system—is commonly defined as belief concerning the supernatural, sacred, or divine; and the moral codes, practices, values, institutions and rituals associated with such belief. In the course of the development of religion, it has taken many forms in various cultures and individuals.
If you take left hand path development from beyond the Satanists Bible, then Satanism falls into that position. Of course, the overlap between applied philosophy and religion is very close (as the post mentioning Buddhism and Taoism mentioned) but frankly I gave up arguing on religion a long time ago. Satire is much more fufilling.