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why? if its coursing a problem then why not ban it? surly theres only a curten amount of people you can help
The course of medication i'm on to supress HIV costs approximately £12,000 a year plus the cost of medication to counter act side effects plus the cost of medication for the effects of a suppressed immune system plus the cost of going to clinic.
Would you be saying the same thing if you were HIV+ and wanted to imigrate to Australia?
I think that's about the same amount as a student then, yeah?
and fuck everyone else
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Students dont get free money. Student loans have to be paid back with some interest. The 12k would be what a student would borrow over 3 or 4 years.
im not sayying that at all, what im saying is that one country needs to do whats best for the people of that country first and deal with other problems second,
It's exactly what you're saying.
Yanno, I know none of you are religious, neither am I, but sometimes I think the bible can be used to teach good things
Having said that, that's exactly what they did to kill off the plague which afaik was untreatable.
They used to take the children from the natives FFS
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Australia_Policy
/sarcasm
If the Australians thought he was a Nazi for doing so, he'd be turfed out, but they keep him. hence, they agree with him.
And what are you saying? Open the borders to every potential HIV-positive immigrant on the grounds of "human rights"?
Hmmmm yes, now that would really be helpful for the world.
Hey just to be pedantic HIV isn't contagious... TB is though. If you do a search on google:
CONTAGIOUS: In the context of HIV, any infectious disease transmitted by casual contact between persons. Casual contact can be defined as normal day-to-day contact among people at home, school, work, or in the community. A contagious pathogen (eg, chicken pox) can be transmitted by casual contact. An infectious pathogen, on the other hand, is transmitted by direct or intimate contact (eg, sex). HIV is infectious, not contagious.
Although it's a terrible virus, the amount of people who are going to catch it from immigrants is going to be insignificant compared to the resident population spreading it amongst themselves. The proper solution is to smack people on the head and tell them to use condoms.
I know what you're saying about if people aren't voting him out they support him, but he's doing the same divide and conquer tactics that were coincidentally used by hitler. (Though I hate drawing comparisons to him, couldn't think of a more notable example). Get people to focus all their problems on immigrants and blame it on immigrants to put through prejudicial laws and legislation, when the real problems remain unaddressed.
a. We're all potentially HIV+
b. If no-one has unprotected sex with them, or if they don't donate blood, then what risk is HIV+ status, really?
Then again, I agree with the mesures Castro took against HIV/AIDS - we won't stop it if we don't do something, it'll carry on spreading.
I think tests for it should be enforced for everyone. And those with it, prevented from having intercourse. Except with others who are infected. The place where they sent them all in Cuba was a good idea, I personally think.
It is a terrible disease, and currently there is only one way to prevent it.
By stigmatising people who have it? Nice.
So what do you suggest?
Good point, however contagions aside, I accept the risk is small. The other factor you have to consider, which he probably is doing, is cost. How many thousands of dollars will it cost to supply each person who has developed AIDS with the necessary medications to keep them alive? In a country with a population like the UK we can probably cope, I doubt a country like Australia can.
That immigration be judged on a case by case basis and that they are treated like human beings.
I know what you meant. But you are suggesting that this is an condition which is not already in the UK or as the thread is about Oz, in Austrailia. It is and the only reason that neither you nor I have it is because we are careful.
No, my reasoning is what will stop the spread. It is the teachings of the Church and religious leaders - in some part of Africa the religious leader suggest that sleeping with a virgin is a cure, in others that there is no link bewteen HIV and AIDS - which increases infection rates.
The message that the only protection is to stop HIV+ people donating blood and to use condoms is the one we should get out.
Do you think that infection will stop because someone bans HIV+ people from entering their country? Do you think that Oz will no longer have any probelms?
so but it will slow down the infection rate which cant be a bad thing
Seeing as the immense majority of new cases are almost certainly caused by native Australians the move to ban immigrants is pointless and cruel.
Point taken. You are, of course, completely correct.
How?
And where is your evidence that immigration increase the infection rate? Surely the issue is behaviour. Ask yourself, how do you prevent yourself from being infected?
Well for a start Victoria state public health officials have stated that the rise in HIV cases is partly due to Immigration, and i think maybe they know a lot more then you?
It's obviously impossible that a right wing ultra conservative anti immigration government might use scaremongering tactics to justify draconian measures against immigration is it?
I for one would love to see figures.
Are they going to kick out those responsible for the immense majority of new cases, namely native Australians, one wonders?