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How did you arrive at that figure of 50%?
and you know that, how?
I refer you to my previous answer to Littleali.
However, even when gypsies buy land they often are not granted planning permission to live on it. So they're screwed every which way.
Yes, they are the ones you notice. No one is denying that some travellers can be anti-social tossers. However to claim they are all like that, or all wasters etc is just ignorant crap.
Kermit is claiming that. He has stated, for example, that people are scum for merely blocking a footpath (thouughless, yes. But scum?). He has also stated that all "new age" travellers are wasters.
Because i'm the one who sits there whilst they try going through the self scan without scanning stuff. EVERY SINGLE DAY.
I could be naive and say that's how a society works, providing for each other. You could say 'why should tax payers provide for you?'. Or, in fact, anyone else at all. The way this country works as far as I can tell (and forgive me if I'm wrong) is we all put a little into a big pot, that can be given to those that need it (and people without a home or at least a place to set up their home, I would say are in need of it).
I would say though, that because of a negative stigma attached to travellers in general, people tend to say they're not worthy of it. I wonder if people lived with gypsies for a week (getting over their own prejudgements about the living conditions and the 'ew' factor) they would change their minds. :chin:
Here we go again with the fucking racism card.
Doesn't have to be racism to be unpleasant and bigoted......
oooh does that work? :chin:
I've yet to see an illegal camp that isn't filled with filth who trash everything, but that's only 16% of travellers, so the generalisations are wrong.
Not when i work on it no. But when you get the lazy people working there they more than likely get away with alot yeah as they can't be arsed to get off thier butts and check when a warning flashes up!
lol yes, although that can also happen when people put something that they scanned in the bag but have pressed skip bagging too.
Generalisatons about whole segments of a population are always wrong.
Now I understand that gypsies aren't inherently nasty or evil; they're not intrinsically criminal either. I also understand that there's a destructive cycle of behaviours in place; residents don't like gypsies so gypsies don't like residents who don't like gypsies. Still, to pretend that living of the fringes of society doesn't effect how you view and act towards regular members of the public, is massively naïve.
The very fact the many posters in this thread have had unpleasant experiences with the travelling community speaks volumes. Gypsy apologists are quick to play the race or bigot card, but I think when you've had so many negative first-hand experiences with gypsies, its not racism or bigotry, it's holding factually based negative opinions.
They're not always wrong.
I refer to what coathanger says.
Still, I think a lot of people would benefit from living with gypsies for a week
What all of them do that do they? You know for sure that they're gypsies do you?
Cool.
*makes mental note to check out the lazy workers at Tescos on the way home tonight*
Perhaps - though I doubt they could ever convince me that their fly-tipping, violence, or theft was justifiable.
The evidence - from my own, my friends', other posters', and my family's experiences - is that a disproportionate amount of gypsies exhibit anti-social, and frequently criminal, behaviour.
I don't doubt that there are sociologically sound explanations for their mentality, but it doesn't mean that me holding negative opinions is bigoted, prejudiced or racist.
I've only ever been mugged by black people. All the drug dealers round my way are black. Does that mean that I can then say that all black people are muggers and dealers, cos "it's holding factually based negative opinions"?
No, of course not, but your comparison isn't exact now is it?
If the vast majority of your everyday experiences with black people were that they mugged you, then yes, I'd say you'd be entitled to hold the negative opinion that a disproportionate amount of black people were muggers.
But by all means don't let that get in the way of you labeling me as a bigot or racist.
No you wouldn't, personal experience on anything on a large scale, such as generalisations about large populations should have no bearing on your opinions of said group without being utterly irrational.
Consider drugs trials etc. There are proper methods of statistical analysis and hypothesis testing that can inform opinion in a reasonably reliable manner.
Anything below this standard is irrarional bollocks....
I've no idea what you mean. I don't undertand the jist of any of what you've just written.
Generalisations are wrong as far as unfairly and incorrectly labeling individuals goes, however, the substance of a generalisation is often correct.
Are you saying my personal experiences shouldn't help form any of my opinions? Cause you know that's a nonsense, right?