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That depends on your definition of anti-semitism.
By the Zionist definition, any suggestion of opposition to the state of Isreal as a principle constitutes anti-semitism; only criticism of Israel's way of doing business is considered legitimate (i.e, the status quo itself can't be questioned or you're a nasty jew-hater).
That's quite obviously bullshit. Opposition to the Israel state does not equate to holding a grudge against jews as a people, which is the common-sense definition - and I haven't seen many posts on here which would qualify.
Personally, I don't doubt there was a plot. However, I think it's all been blown out of proportion. This is for several reasons. The first is, it's the middle of summer, and silly season is going strong in the media. Our papers need something to write about/scare us over, and this story (including a "15-page souvenir special" courtesy of the Daily Mail last Friday) fits the bill perfectly. The second is, our authorities desperately want to show they're getting something right after recent cock-ups. Forest Gate, anyone?
One other question - where is Blair amidst all this? Not Tony Blair - he who suns himself in the Carribean on yet another holiday probably being paid for by Sir Cliff Richard. If he was in the country, the reaction would probably have been even worse than that of the real stand-in Prime Minister of the moment, John Reid. No, I'm talking of Sir Ian Blair. Has he finally learnt to keep his mouth shut? We can but hope!
Which tsar? Pobedonostsev might have ordered the Holy League about but there were no direct orders from Alexander III, indeed he outlawed the Holy League...That said many within his government sympathised.
Later pogroms under Nicholas II by the Black Hundreds probably did have the support and sympathy of the tsar but there's little evidence to suggest there were direct orders.
And the Holy League and Black Hundreds were separate organisations from the tsarist bureaucracy making your simple claim that they were 'funded and initated' - it's initiated btw a bit weak.
Oh, I typoed ;o I must be wrong.
Of course, they didn't publically fund it. Oh, and I am refering to Nicholas II - he did agree with Pobedonostsev, and was highly anti-semetic. Evidence suggests he probably did order them. Alexander III was the last Tsar with any reasonable qualities too him. Nicholas I was also highly anti-semetic. Throughout the reigns of both Nicholas's (Nicholases?) anti-semetism was well ingrained in thier policies and actions. Nicolas II though, acted more upon it. There were many Police Officers and Military men in the pogroms - whilst they supported the anti-semetism for the most part - they were also ordered to go along with it. After all, it was much a public action as the pro-Castro rallies in Cuba are. Sure, there was no government initiative there at all...:rolleyes:
Will you just shut your silly wee face for once. I said I was sorry, it's quite clear what the circumsatances was around my post regarding Jews, I was drunk now please fuck off and stop talking about it.
don't be a dick
It was completely out of order and wouldn't have been tolerated in the same way if he had said much the same about other "races", I don't see why it should be treated any different.
Being drunk is no excuse.
Just wondering how you would address something that happened whilst I was with friends.
A friend of mine (who is coloured) was with us on a pub crawl in Berlin. We were getting the train (all rather sloshed) and he decided it would be amusing to shout "P*ki on a train!" loudly. Rather embrassing but amusing at the time.
What should be done about this? Is it alright, like black people calling each other n*gger?
Aimed at someone?
There is such a thing as context.
In the case of the argument here it was abusive. Had the user posted a comment to the effect that "any group of blacks is violent" there would have been uproar.
Well I certainly reported it. The reason that I didn't publicly pick turlough up on it was (a) because turlough has a track record of trolling when drunk and (b) I wanted to see if dis would have a go at me if I didn't say anything. Seems I was right.
Now it seems he also has a track record of being a rascist scumbag when drunk.
No, he has a track record of being on the wind up when drunk. What's your excuse anyway? Are you constantly pissed or what?
Odd way to go 'on the wind up' don't you think? Nobody else I know resorts to rascism to do so. Normal behaviour to you is it?
Effective though innit.
No, I don't find it funny. WHICH IS WHY I REPORTED IT TO THE MODS
Well, yes, any sane person would be grossly offended by such rascism.
Perhaps, but you then did not condemn Turlough for what he said and proceeded to make excuses for him.
His signature, intended to be inflamatory, is still there. Do we presume that he is permanently inebriated?
Trolling is no excuse either.
I posted because I was surprised that you hadn't commented. It's not like you to let something like that go without a public comment - as well as reporting it.
How did you come up with this rubbish?
Himself?
True. But using of racist terms at all is a grey area. Someone can just say "i was only joking" even though they wern't. And can you provide proof either way?
Turloug does go on the wind up when drunk. And he sure gets the response he looked for! Ah, some of you expect everyone to immediatley post "OMFG RACISTS?!!?!>!" when he does it. Doesn't a silent "report" do enough?
Sigh. Blag's experiment sure worked too though. Unsupprising results as well.
So was it racism, or reverse psychology?
And why on earth is that funny, have I missed a gag somewhere - little britain or something?
But the experiment goes the same way and until you admitted you reported how was anyone to know whether you were being silent because you don't see anti-semitism as a problem or because you felt you were conducting an interesting social experiment.
As an aside I've seen both Mat and Dis condem racism and the far right
Plenty of other regular posters and people who'd posted in this thread were silent. Nobody got 'self righteous' on you, nobody criticised the silence of specific individuals.
Oh and that bullshit 'experiment' excuse doesn't really wash. And for the record I am as appalled by racism as any other decent person. (Not that pointing out the truth will stop your continued unfounded and untrue claims).
Also, Signor Gerbil, it's not politically correct to say coloured anymore, you gotta say black or white or asian, whatever...
No, silence doesn't do shit. But lets people get away with their bulshit and disgusting ways.
I thought that by now it was ingrained in every kid's mind that you do not let thing pass by keeping silent.
By now Niemöller is considered a cliche, but maybe you - and many others - should after all, look up his words.
And funnily enough - Blagsta did his experiment, I did mine.
Lack of words, or your treassured silence, was appaling. And the worst thing is, that by now I know that should I have replied to the original words, then my concerns would have been brushed over just like Disillusioned and Matadore's replies were, based solely on our political convictions.
Yes dis, whatever you want to believe. Keep fooling yourself, you don't fool anyone else.
Thing is, you have no idea who reported the post.
Thing is I don't fucking care who reported or didn't. I care about who spoke up. Cause frankly, I'm not the biggest fan of reporting posts - I believe in open discussion.
And again, your experiment doesn't prove shit. Just proves that some people here are not consistent with their supposed principles, and that others are ignored and belittled in whatever context it may be because of their political views. So, care to remind me how your "experiment" proved succesful - apart from showing that most people here are ignorant assholes?