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Israel is a state in it's own right, Hezbollah won't recognise this.
Why don't they just nuke Beirut? That way, all rockets and militants will be destroyed. If 2 million other people are killed too, well that's Hizbollah's fault for hiding amongst the population, right?
Would you support nuking Beirut? And if not, why?
Yes.
I don't agree with using nukes.
How else do you do it then?
I agree that Israel's action are OTT, but I really would be interested for you concept of how to get at the rockets, weapons and terrorists who attack Israel.
Not that it matters, because YOU DON'T DESTROY AN ENTIRE NEIGHBOURHOOD AND KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE SIMPLY TO DESTROY A FEW ROCKETS THAT YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE ABOUT THEY ARE.
You need help.
But otherwise you would see the murdering of 2 million people as justifiable, right?
In any case, there are some things you don't do. Regardless of anything whatsoever. That should be beyond contemplation.
So because the terrorist do it, it is OK to do it on a FAR FAR LARGER SCALE (Several hundred times moe powerful) with TANKS, PLANES, and FUCK OFF HUGE artillery pieces. Causing HUGE mass slaughter.
Does this mean you think the Russians handled Chechnya well? Do you want the fucking WHOLE Middle East to look like Chechyna? Flattened? That is EXACTALLY what Israel wants to do.
And for fucks sake. A TINY TINY TINY percentage of Muslims are terrorists. So WHY do the MASS of people living next to Israel have to suffer? The terrorists are probably not even in Beirut, they probably are in the countryside. Well, desert, somewhere. Hidden. Waiting to fire off one rocket in vain retaliation.
All Israel is doing is stiring up more Anti-Semetic feeling in thier neigbours. And you know what? I think they are doing it deliberatley to have an excuse to invade and steal more land. I really do.
I hope they get thier armed forces fucking obliterated so they know what it feels like, too. A taste of thier own medicine.
Becuase that's worked so often in the past between Israel and others, hasn't it?
Seriously, in some cases using your "military" options is the solution to a particular problem. If you are saying that they cannot bomb the area where the rockets are, how else do you propose that you can get them?
Should being the operative word there. Shame that we are not talking about people (on both sides) who live by a set of rules. In fact throughout history you will find that war is dirty evil and doesn't discriminate between innocent and military.
Idealism is great and we all have that. Realism is just harder to accept.
The wall would most certainly have more substance to its responses, Renzo!
Yes, it actually has. Except hte trouble is that Israel kept breaking cease fires and truces!
Shock horror supprise!
There aren't even any rockets MoK. That's what Luke especulates in his increasingly desperate attempts to justify cold blooded murder.
The South Beirut neighbourhood destroyed is simply described by Israel as 'Hezbollah's headquarters'. That means an office. In a flat. Many of the locals might be sympathisers. At most. But no fighters.
And yet Israel sees fit to flatten the place, and to hell with the thousands of innocent civilians who live there.
There is no possible justification, military or otherwise, for that. It was revenge and blackmail, pure and simple.
If everyone agreed that both sides are as bad as each other and that they both need dealt with appropriately there would not be a problem.
But we have the leaders of the free world keeping quiet if not openly defending the actions of one while condeming the actions of the other.
That is another root cause of the conflict lasting for so long. One side is permanently left unchecked to do pretty much anything it pleases.
But it will never be the solution here. With the bombing of inncoent Lebanese support for Hezbollah is only going to grow
But of course, being the supposed "singularly unique archetype of evil" ingrained into the Western public psyche, I'm sure MoK will circumvent all similarity of principle between that example and the present display by Israel of documented crimes against against humanity as set forth in the Nuremberg Principles, because after all, those were Jewish vicitms and these are just those Arabs the public has been conditioned to view as less than human.
More cognitive dissonance at its most transparent.
we could have stopped the IRA years ago by destroying belfast and all those annoying catholics ...we knew the explosives were hidden in terraced houses and garages and bridges.
a few thousand dead irish women and children and pensioners would have been worth it.
while we were at it we could have destroyed the electricity networks ...water supplies ...bombed them back into the stone age ...fucking irish terrorist scum would have been to blame for the deaths of the innocent.
way to go luke:thumb:
I am worried about all the refugees, where are they gonna go???
This conflict can easily spread...and yet the UN is doing nothing.
Hypocrits.
Nothing excuses collateral damage, nothing.
Yet all we can do is sit and watch people being killed all over the place.
Mid east, Africa, Indonesia...
Who on Earth would want to bring a kid into a world like this?
Such as it has been from the very founding of that aggressivist expansionist state.
So maybe we should go and dissolve the UN.
I can see why the US are not doing anything but why the rest of the western world isn't doing anything is beyond me.
Or maybe it isn't.
I remember the western countries killing a few civilians while bombing "military" targets around the world themselves, so perhaps they find it normal.
Nobody us sleeping with each other, but everyone is fucking one another.
I don't know enough about that so I can't comment.
They maybe a tiny % but they are the current majoirty of terroists as a whole.
Why does Israel have to suffer as well man? it goes both ways.
Probably? Probably isn't good enough in times of war.
Think that, I don't believe they will be any ground war.
All Hezbollah is doing is yet giving Islam a bad name.
I thought you lot don't do tit for tat?
You've completely misunderstood me. Plus the N.I conflict is different from what we have here.
Do you want me to say i agree with you lot then I've listened?
No I won't do that as I've got my independent opinions and I'll stick to them regardless of how many of you are on at me.
... Israel broke most of the cease fires and agreements...
Think this: Once upon a time Checyna was part of Russia. Seperatists rebelled, and the whole country was pretty much obliterated. Few buildings stand, and nearly all of them are new.
I still don't see how this validates civilian slaughter.
No ground war at all. Because Israel has the only army. Hence no war... because that needs two sides.
I don't. It's hardly been tit for tat though, and I doubt it ever will be. It's a one sided battle.
Please, actually tell me... how CAN you believe this is in any way justified? It'd be like if after the Japanese attacked the USA in WW2 the US promtly nuked Korea.
They are in no way making an effort to target the people who comit these attacks.
we had to fight back ...what would be so wrong with destroying the infrastructure of belfast and slaughtering some innocent civilians?
Dirty Arabs on the other hand...