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I don't get it. It's what price you put on life. To me a human life is worth a million rabbits. Thank god for rational people.
But animals react differently to humans.
they react without intelect for sure.
Humans than think researchs are so damn important... now that would be a huge stand behind their beliefs...
When there is risks of death or others... there is some cures that might never be found because it is not done... why do you think some researcher scecretly do it... why do you think the military do it... why do you think the nazis did it...
Never said it was wrong... just said we should test humans too... and by testing humans we might find cures we wouldn't be not doing such...
Mostly they don't. They're a good indication that's for sure.
You mother is dying from a illness, there may be cure but it's still untested. Would you rather they test the drug first on an animal, put yourself forward for testing, or woudl you give it straight to you old dear?
The simple fact is that at the moment animal testing is the most sensible way for testing new drugs. I don't know how you can argue againts that. Cruelty may be involves - but I for one am happy to accept that for the benifit of every other human.
We do.
ok once again, I will precises at early stages...
if i hold a baby over a mincer and a frog ...it's up to you to decide which i drop in the mincer ...your logic so far suggests that you would shrug your shoulders ...whats the difference ...they are equal ...would be your response.
you not only loose credibility ...you disgust me.
Anyway, the petition makes it clear that it's all about where it's necessary and the only option. If anyone's undecided, you should have a look.
wahoo... name calling now... nice... low.. but nice... it's not because i think every life is equal that I can not see that the baby will be more important for his parents and that people will have feelings for it... of course i would say drop the frog... it doesn't have much to do with the facts that testing humans at early stages could provide cures that could not be found by testing animals... it's not because i think life forms are equal that I don't see how important is one over the other...
With that line of thought maybe we should be considering cannibalism, and human skin as the next fasion - after all we use animals for food and clothing.
you don't realy know what you believe is the truth of it ...cos you haven't realy thought much of it through have you.
my point is that any kind of life is equal... and by equal I mean the right to life... it doesn't mean I can't understand that some might have more feelings attach to them than others... but it's not because one life is more important in the eyes of someone than others don't have the same right to live... as well as the same right to die... the point of this thread was animal testing which i have no trouble with, kill as much as you want, but researchers will never find all the cures possible if humans are not tested at early stages too...
In theory though everyone is equal and I agree with it. It seems so logical to you that animals are stupid and worthless that its a pointless argument really, even though it seems completely logical to me that a theoretical possibility of maybe finding a cure for something if we torture a thousand monkeys - is certainly NOT worth it.
Youre not even talking an animal life for a human life. Youre talking about POSSIBLE knowledge for a bit of medical advancement that may or may not benefit humankind (often not), for the torture and death of god knows how many millions of animals. I dont see how noone could give a shit tbh. Its not even that the animals die, its the inhumanity of giving them diseases and tumours and cutting them open, and finding out which drugs kill them fastest. I think its abominable.
Of course if it was a monkey to be killed or my baby, then id choose my baby, but hell if i had to choose your baby or my baby to be killed, id choose your baby. Its not because its human and thats special, its because its what I love. the monkeys mother would probably see my baby killed.
the "what would you choose, a frog or a baby" is stupid
the baby and frog are only as stupid as his comments throughout this thread.
I think you're getting your argument confused with the ability to finance healthcare for the world's poor. I don't think it is fair to blame medical research for global poverty, and as I said before - if you don't want to benefit from medical advancement then that is up to you, but I think you'll find that the vast majority of the population will gladly accept a new drug that may cure their disease or improve their quality of life.
is saying all the time the humankind doomed itself and saying it's the greatest clever... people always bitch about equality but when it comes to exreme it becomes stupid... at least i believe in true equality for all sort of life... and I still understand why a preson can be more important in the eyes of its loves one... if equality of all life is seen as stupid it explain why your so great humankind is leading itself to its own destruction... cures won't save the humankind... humankind can only save itself and history that keep on repeating itself show us that it will never happend... if we were all monkeys instead of humans we would not be doomed and this planet would not be as fucked up...
If sacrificing some guinea pigs and rats for early tests mean as few volunteers as possible (if any at all) die or suffer life-long adverse consequences from testing, then the animal testing is 1,000% justified.
do you eat meat?
Still if researchs are that important testing humans at early stages even if risks are high would give more chance of finding cures that might not be found if tested on animals... unless researchs are not that important after all...
Why does everyone keep asking if I eat meat, did you read all the post in here...