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Ok, tell me that how could a dog do a can without hands and why in hell would it want to do so? They don't need any do they and if they don't have the body to do one thing it is not realted in any way with choice... If they had hands maybe they could and would... you can teach a dog, but not every dog, why cos some just don't want to obey, doesn't that sow free will...
Some even do skateboarding... like here... look at him go, don't you think he is enjoying himself and when his master call him he choose to come back on the skateboard instead of running... and some even manage to talk... like here...
And dog can choice to either eat a bone now or save it for later by buring it into the ground even so they are pet and get feed everyday...
Btw animals do communicate and their little brain, ever smaller than babies ones, learn the language too, it's not because we don't understand their language that they don't have any...
Some animals can ever reproduce sound they hear or even our language when it is not that easy the other way around...
Also why would any animals need a telescope or want to map the stars and what tell you some don't map the stars...
And now you are saying we are preprogrammed too and have choice too, which I said for animals too, or do you think a bird is preprogrammed to do a nest in a specific tree? No they don't, therefor they still have a choice...
Some animals even commit suicide, doesn't that show free will when normally we think they all go by instinct and they do everything for survival...
being as inteligent as a human and having free will must be hell ...if your stuck in a dogs body ...mind you some of the women i've been ...never mind.
dogs in space! oh they can't ...they haven't got any hands ....
hands have more connections to the brain than any other part of the body.
an amazing tool that helps us manipulte our environments to the enth degree ...or caress a crying baby ...play a musical instrument do fine embroidery or micro surgery ...
sorry mate but ...if you see the animal kingdom being any where near the likes of man ...you have a lower opinion of mankind than i ...which shows when you say the mass suicide or killing of the entire human race ...would be of benefit ...
do you know of any other creature on this planet that knows ...we live in a spiral galaxy ...on the outer edge of one of its arms ...meaning we can look out and study a huge ammount of universe ...any further up the arm would prevent us looking out.
who can comprehend these things?
ants live in a very ordered system indeedy.
it has been suggested that a colony actualy make up one entity.
and will they ever change the way they are governed ...no.
why?
cos they cannot dream of things that could be ...they don't have free will.
they have no choice.
humans have free will????
we are not governed by the world we live in?
we are not preprogrammed to kill each other?
and the second question sounds like you burnt your lips on your crack pipe.
See that's the problem, a lot of people are hampered by their fear of being so powerful that they can actually do anything they want!!
Instead they settle for rhetoric and bullshit!!
You didn't answer the second question.
No. I believe the basic "programming" of humans is to survive and reproduce, same as any other animal.
We kill each other because we want stuff, and need to kill to get it.
Be it killing someone for their mobile to gaining geopolicitical control of a region, it's the same thing.
Different scale, but the same principle.
do you support imperialism?
is there another way?
We've learned that we can get our way through violence. It mightn't work as well on the street, but who's going to arrest a nation with nukes?
I don't directly support imperialism. I probably do indirectly, because I want a comfortable life.
Possibly. It'll be interesting to see Sweden wean itself off oil.
Dogs could actually go in space, no need of any hands for that, they can just let humans build rocket for them... Hey, we even pick up their shit, who is the smartest on that one...
Ok, but why would dogs needs hand... to create weapons... technology that destroy the environment... play music... animals without the humankind and hands will survive for longer than us with our magical hands and brain... hands are useful to wank so I admit... but dogs and others find a way to do so...
How can you say I have a lower opinion of mankind than you when you keep repeating we are responsible for our own destruction and that we doom ourselves... I don't see how mankind can be greater than any others by doing such... being more intelligent doesn't mean being better, it's just mean being more intelligent... if we are doom anyway why does it matter if mankind is erradicate... it will be one way or a other... my way at least there will be creatures that will still be living on this planet instead of being doomed with us all...
And my first suggestion was to create a new planet we could live on and not to erradicated human race, but if people suggest to kill only some, I say kill them all otherwise it is discrimination... and the humankind doesn't like that... it's not politically correct or something... even so it always existed and will always exists...
Also the point was to say that animals can have choices too and nowhere i have stated than animals were as intelligent as human, they are less, but by being less intelligent they don't destroy this planet for comfort and only do what is needed for them to live and reproduce... But it is not because they are less intelligent that any form of life is more important than an other... humankind intelligence indeed bring us a lot of knowledge, but it also give us vices and many other things that lead us to our own destruction...
How can you be so sure they don't... Do we have even find every single creature on this planet... no we didn't... And even if they don't, you don't believe we could live on an other planet, so what's the point of knowing all of that anyway... and yes i know their is some advantage of knowing all of that that help us in our everyday life, but if you don't think it can save us, it's is kind of useless in a long term innit...
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i mean lets face it,this is what we have, this is what we are.would'nt it be logical to just continue as we are in the hope we may end up sorting it all out?
its not like we have a say anyway is it?
doom and gloom perhaps,but what if this is the only way? if we are to save the plannet then we need money and power to do that.
It'd be good for us, probably, but not the rest of them. The whole world couldn't live like us, as there's not enough to go round.
I don't think we'll save the planet, because it doesn't need saving. All we want to do is live comfortably, and I think we will.
The poor countries will still be in the shit, though.
i don't believe any significant number will be able to for a very long while or stay any significant length of time. for a very very long while.
very very little.
"hey i like the new mini" ...thinks the dog ...i don't think so.
Don't you think nature isn't observing what man's doing to it?
do you mean do i think the earth is watching us and thinking to itself ...i'll get the bastards ...i'll get 'em alright?
It doesn't think in the conventional sense but it knows rightly. It feels pain.
three times you mentioned it ...
what is it ...where is it ...this it that feels and knows ...knowing would imply personality of some kind?
Yeh, the animals and the trees and grass themselves all make up nature. It's a life force.
All the things you say are down to superiority and intelligence are mainly down to what happens when weve got so much time on our hands, we dont even have to worry about survival anymore. Pondering about the universe, mapping the stars, coveting your friends new mini, its all TIMEWASTING. dya think the little pygmy bushman in the desert gives a shit about it anymore than your pet dog? doesnt mean hes less evolved than us either, its just culture and society.
Dogs have their own favourite things that they enjoy and generally arent interested in stuff like astronomy or dreaming up bicycles and canes for blind humans for sure.
If you say we are doom, it means we are due to die and you said building Mars to be able to live one was not interesting because it was just a rock... How can you be sure we are 100% doom, if you believe we can go and use an other planet too... If you believe we can, then we are not really doom are we... you said there was no solution for it when going to live on Mars is one... I have never say it was possible in a short time frame either, but that is is possible and that it might be a way for us to survive... Also tbh if it happends you can be sure that the middle class, bottom class and people living in less developed countries will be left to die on earth and that only upper class will be allowed to go live over there... Frankly I think the process could go faster than we think, unfortunatly countries are morons and do not work togeher as a team...