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I'll allow you to fail to understand religious faith, but to claim that religious people are mad because you cannot see what the fuss is all about is just arrogance in the extreme.
What is wrong with insulting peoples beliefs?
a lot of things people beleive are bollocks and they should be told so, not just religion.
That is the point of debate innit.......
Already covered this argument earlier in the thread, at least I think.
No, it's just bald stating of facts. It might be a bit abrasive to your ears if you are used to the weaker forms of belief in reality, where theres this "your entitled to your beliefs no matter how faulty they are" ethos prevails.
Theres no santa, theres no god. If you tell me there is santa, I assume you are manipulating me in some way or your crazy. Same with god.
You show me concrete evidence* that states those who follow a religion have some kind of mental issue and then you'll have the right to call it a fact.
In the meantime, the rest of us can see it's just your opinion.
*it'll need to be from someone a little more intelligent than yourself.
Bible? Do you think whoever wrote the bible would sit down and write that kind of thing without proof?
There's also no proof that he doesn't exist. How do you explain the evil (natural; nothing created by man) that goes on in the world today then?
Not at all. I have called "people who believe" (more properly people who pretend to believe, no one really does, everyone knows it's all cack deep down) nuts etc.
If you decide to put yourself in that category, why not just imagine yourself something comforting as a way out of it?
No the evidence was always there, but not the method to 'prove' it or certainly to quantify it.
You could always test the hypothesis, 'if I drop something it will fall', and would be unable to show that this is not the case. The evidence is everywhere that this is the case.
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If Tolkein had cliamed the Lord of the Rings was a historical document would you beleive him?
If someone came on here spouting out racist hate, should we all respect their beliefs?
Why do religious beleifs need some kind of special protection?
I suspect it is because religious beliefs are founded on faith and not reason and thus cannot be defended, but then that is the point.......
Yep. Didn't your mum and dad tell you that santa was real knowing it was bollocks? Why did they do that i wonder?
Already done.
I don't. It's not relevent to this issue at all. This issue is of people holding beliefs that are bnot accurate about the world, not on "evil".
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I'd also like to see this evidence as well.
No it hasn't. For example, I could say "You're an absolute f'ing cock" and call it 'fact' when actually all it is is my opinion. I'm sure others share the view too, but it's still just an opinion.
Calling someone with mental health difficulties "mad" can be insulting I quite admit. Will "schizophrenic" do instead?
So would I. If your standard of proof is the same for the assertion that god exists, then just by saying it, it is so. If youwant to refer to the real world, then the lack of evidence for the assertion of god's existence, along with the assertion anayway is proof enough of mental instability.
So does that mean you're calling my daughter mentally unstable for believing in the Easter Bunny?
Not at all. The criteria for being a loon is well known - seeing things that aren't there is one way for you to discern this, as is claiming the existence of stuff that no one can sense in any other way. Religious people meet this criteria 100%.
Didn't YOUR parents do exactly the same thing to you when you were younger?
How do you explain all evil that goes on in the world then? :rolleyes:
So you're seeing mentally unstable people who aren't there either - so that makes you mentally unstable too.
Takes one to know one I guess?
Only if she carried believing on after you told her you lied to her. As would yourself, in fact.
Yeah sure, it jazzed up xmas for them or some shit like that.
I was right. You ARE a cock.
Fact.
The reason this stuff gets so emotional for religious types is because as the title says, they KNOW it's all a pile of crap. There are a shitload of issues to deal with when you raise it, a lot of them very uncomfortable, around death, being lied to by your family etc etc
Well worth paying attention to the truth tho.
Good idea. Shame I am off the beer atm. :impissed:
Now why would that be? Becasue you migh actually be worried that by filling your child's head full of shit you are doing her mental harm?
Shut up!
Or nothing