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So its ethical to steal from a hospital?
I don't think we can stop it... It's a horrible idea too. How will the government afford it?
Probably by making the most deprived individuals suffer.
Don't they have ID cards in Australia?
- Yes, stealing from 'thieves' is wrong- with the possible exception of distributing the stolen goods amongst the less fortunate members of society. Now seeing as you don't give much of a shit about anyone else and actually believe society "doesn't exist" (LOL!), I doubt you would be doing that.
- We have gone through this a million times and no, the NHS is not a 'thief', the government is not a 'thief', taxes are not 'theft' and nobody is using or would use 'violence' against you. Move along, nothing to see here.
Its the FACT it will go 10 times over budget, not work, over charge some people, get things wrong, block peoples passport for no reason and generally be about as effective as the CSA.
I agree - the whole ID card scheme is going to be a gigantic fuckup from start to finish, administered by a load of bungling fools who couldn't manage a Carpet Warehouse loyalty card scheme properly, and it'll eventually collapse in a heap of shame and recriminations and we'll all be about £10 billion poorer.
I think ID cards are the least of our problems .. how about the collapse of our NHS system, the direpute of our standing in the world due to the war in Iraq, schools fiasco etc ...
The usual irrational shit? Good good.
Yep, the usual utter fucking guff. If you don't pay your taxes, nothing happens to you. Yes, of course, how have i missed it? No doubt all those raids by armed men and people in prisons are a figment of my imaginition?
Theres nothing violent about a gang of armed strangers breaking your door down, kidnapping you, taking all your stuff and putting you in a small box, is there? :rolleyes:
idiot.
Of course it's going to be a fuck up - it's a government scheme. The real question is why they want it.
If enough people refuse to get one then the government will have a very hard to send every last one of us to prison
What has to be done is to get the Tories to promise to get rid of ID cards, then be willing to vote them in..........
thats what worries moe more also
the civil liberites will disappear from other things like removing trial by fellow citizens, and in locking people up without charge
most of those are non-issues, the NHS one mainly comes from changes in way hospitals are paid, technicalities basically
schools fiasco, we always have one
iraq hmmm possibly the worst thing to threaten our security in a long time
Most people on here wouldn't normally dream of voting Tories, would this make you?
The fact that people are considering it (well I am) just shows how much of a mess this Labour govt has made of things.........
i just emailed the shadow home secretery saying you will have people voting for you if you pledge to fight it every step of the way, for being a waste of time and money
EU wide biometric passports are another dodgy side development
the thing that annoys me is:
if they said they'll be issuing everyone with what looks like a drivers license with a little chip on, with your name, DOB, current address only and if you have a uk passport/driverslicense printed on them and said "we'll scrap all existing drivers licenses and passports" - i think virtually noone would disagree with them because they'll be practical with no central database - and it'll be cheaper in long run as you wouldnt need the hassle of admin in the DVLA and passport office
im renewing mine next year before all the biometric stuff, should last long enough for me to go somewhere else in europe
the worst kind of democracy is people voting on single issues ...which happens a lot.
I'm sure a lot of you have credit cards and stuff and we all know the government has our details anyway so its not much different really.
At least ID-ing underage drinkers n the like will be easier.
Because I have plenty to hide. There are plenty of things that we all do, including yourself that the government would wish we wouldn't.
You might think it's ok for other people to decide what you do with your life and watch you like a mentally retarded 4 year old. I don't, I say fuck 'em.
Riiiight. So if they already have all this info, why do they need the ID card?
I'm not sure what exact details are gonna be on these cards but I'm pretty sure they're not gonna be telling you what to do with your life.
Hmm I need more convincing before I think its a terrible idea.
Surely the fact that some nitwit you've never even met can use threats to make you get one proves my point?
I won't mention the getting stopped at random, the facial scans in raliway stations and all the other crap that will follow from it either.
OK
Are you against passports too?
Maybe it doesn't bother me as much because I'm used to having police checks and things for my job.