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Its also a proven fact that smokers have more change in there pocket.
Oh is that what i'm doing? Damn i was just doing it to look cool!
:cool:
In the middle of winter? That is so uncool.
You clearly could give a rat's ass or you wouldn't be discussing it; or maybe you are just exercising your flair for the dramatic arts with your wailing about smokers killing themselves? I wonder.
The government do not think they are doing smokers a favour... they are exerting further power over what was once our freedom to employ common sense and personal choice in our choices and behaviour in public and in private settings. Period.
I am less passionate about smoking than I am about my freedom to do it.
That does really smack of ignorance.
But as far as the Gov't are concerned, they don't want to do smokers that much of a favour. God knows, they make enough money out of us and if we all stopped, there'd be a £10bn hole in the budget which would have to be filled somehow.
You only have to walk over to the door, it might improve your cardiovascular system in the mean time.
Who knows, in about 20 years down the line they may ban smoking altogether. But in the mean time it seems they are taking steps to get people to cut down so to speak. Give it a few years and they probably will ban smoking in the street, or something like that more drastic.
I take it you've had someone blow smoke in your face then? Or had someone walk past you who has just had a cigarette?:yuck:
Why should people who don't drive cars have to breathe exhaust fumes? It is just as dangerous, and certainly more damaging to the environment.
The base issue of inhaling toxic fumes is the same, so surely it is within the confines of reasonable debate to mention it. Though obviously you'd disagree as it makes you look like a hypocrite
Oh, and just as a little aside, you can fuck away off with your flippant comment about my cardivascular system. That is going off topic, and to be honest you have no clue about how healthy my CV system is or is not. If you would like to PM me to compare BP scores I will be happy to tear you a new arsehole :angel:
Perhaps that was another govermant plan, walking to the entrance to improve your health slightly.
But were talking about smoking not blood pressure, cholesterol etc. And I am more in favour of the ban because hopefully it will a)give smokers another reason to give up and b)prevent non smokers breathing in the smoke.
But there not banning smoking completely though, just indoor public places. You can still go outside if you want, but this is an inconvenience to some so some may think about giving up.
Not when you can die for free anyway.
Hate to point this out, but it's a fact often overlooked...
More non-smokers, than smokers, die everyday.
Being honest, I think this smoking ban is OTT, and that's wrong. I don't care if people smoke so long as I am not forced to have to smell it and breathe it in. I have no objection to smoking rooms so long as I don't have to go through a smoking area to go to the bogs or the bar, and the non-smoking area is completely segregated. I don't even care if people smoke whilst eating so long as I am sat in a different room to them and don't have to smell and taste Marlboro instead of steak.
If a pub can't provide a fully segregated smoking room then it should have to be non-smoking, but if it can then it should be allowed to. Concert venues should be non-smoking, though, simply because its impossible to provide fully segregated smoking and non-smoking areas whilst watching the same band.
The snitch-line is fine, though, and if a pub refuses to police the smoking ban I'd report them.
But some people need cars or some other form of piblic transport to travel to & from places.
There is a band who, when playing at a venue do ask (beforehand obviously) that people don't smoke as apparantely it makes sining difficult or something. (will look up the actual reason later)
Since I replied, here's what I think: Smoking should be completely banned in any public and enclosed space that doesn't have a clearly, and air-tightly separated room for smokers, the only "holes" from which that remain open lead outside, and not in the non-smoking (shall I say "normal people's"?) room.
Outside thought, like in the street, I don't give a shit if people smoke.
18% of the population smoke.
100% of the population die.
It's not rocket science.
I find tramping over peoples' freedom far worse, by a great marginal, than the health effects of smoking. I believe in a freedom of choice which in turn creates every individual in our society and is and we have a rudimentary right of choosing for ourselves. Trying to regulate freedom is not the way to go. Prohibiting smoking is therefore wrong IMO and it should be a choice made by the individual in question. When it comes to restaurants, yes, there should be a seperation of smoking and non-smoking rooms and people who don't want to inhale the 'killing' smoke well they should, as they have a freedom of choice as well, have the possibility of not being present in smoky confined spaces.
It's wrong and ludicrous to ban it completely. They might as well take away our freedom while they're at it. Public places esp.
And no, I don't smoke.
But to "people who don't want to inhale the 'killing' smoke well they should, as they have a freedom of choice as well, have the possibility of not being present in smoky confined spaces.", I dont agree with that, why should someone not visit a public place because they dont want to breath in the smoke? Smokers are given the option of standing outside in the open fresh air for a couple of minutes to have a fag so there not causing people in a enclosed place to breath in there smoke.
Just my opinion. ^^
And any person low enough to report a noble landlord ignoring the ban should be put in solitary confinement with a chain smoking Frenchman.
I know, lets allow racist shopkeepers to ban black people from their shops! Their shop, their rules. Lets let Stagecoach ban gay people from their buses- their bus, their rules!
What? You don't agree with that? Then you're a hypocrite.
Deep Fathom, what's the difference between somewhere that serves food and somewhere that does not?
I don't call for prohibition, but its about time that places that are open to the public reflect the fact that over 4/5 of the population DO NOT SMOKE, yet it only takes one person chuffing away on cheap fags to ruin it for everyone.
Out of interest, why does one person's "right" to smoke in a room override everyone else's "right" to peaceful enjoyment? Why should people allergic to smoke have to stay at home just so that you don't have to nip outside for five minutes? Nobody has yet satisfactorily answered that, and I've been asking it for five years.
Hmm why can't you all just learn to love smoking?!
But I walk past more cars. Cars which are massively more damaging to the environment (and I would say my health, but I am fully aware that in smoking I am not doing myself any favours in that respect, however, I'm sure cars are more damaging to non-smokers than ONE POXY CIGARETTE is).
Fair enough ban it in places where you can't completely segregate the two, but why the hell should I have to go outside in the cold to have a cigarette when it is perfectly possible for me just be sat in another room?
No they won't. Because like Thunderstruck (I think) said, doing that is gonna leave one fuck off hole in their budget. I'm paying nearly 6 times the amount I was paying in Peru for the exact same packet of cigarettes, and the large majority of that extra money is going to the government. If they got rid of people smoking in the street, most people would give up, leaving the government in a bit of a shit situation money-wise. Why do you think we've got 10 packs and fucking...FOURTEEN packs of cigarettes and barely anywhere else has? Because the government are trying to get us to quit? Fuck off.