Over flowing with illegal immigrants

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Huh?

You can add the cost of your fire brigade call out to your insurance.

You can pay for a teacher yourself.

Is this so difficult?

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The Home Office has just announced that they've unknowingly been employing 5 illegal immigrants.

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Desperate_Housewife wrote:

The Home Office has just announced that they've unknowingly been employing 5 illegal immigrants.

Or Scottish ministers as they're otherwise known.

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And all those children whose parents can't afford a teacher, fuck em, who gives a shit. For all those people who can't afford to pay for the fire brigade, fuck em, let em burn.

the first point is nonsense. There are millions of people doing fuck all without artificial barriers to entry the market would soon drop the price of teachers to easily affordable levels.

If you've got nothing much, insurance isn't much either. If you can't be arsed to provide even a little cover why should anyone else pay for you?

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scarlettleeds wrote:

And all those children whose parents can't afford a teacher, fuck em, who gives a shit. For all those people who can't afford to pay for the fire brigade, fuck em, let em burn.

That's what I thought. If my parents can't afford a teacher, should I not get an education? If I'm ill and they can't afford a doctor, should I suffer?

And another thing - if my parents can't afford a doctor and I die, won't they be done for murder/manslaughter?

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Perhaps if your parents couldn't have afforded you, you wouldn't have been born in the first place.

Kids cost money. If you do something you cannot afford you are an idiot.

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klintock wrote:

Perhaps if your parents couldn't have afforded you, you wouldn't have been born in the first place.

Kids cost money. If you do something you cannot afford you are an idiot.

do the words redundancy mean anything to you?

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Do the words "unemployment insurance" mean anything to YOU?

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klintock wrote:

Do the words "unemployment insurance" mean anything to YOU?

yeh like getting medical insurance after being born with a life threatening condition or something like that........ :chin:

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Go buy your local paper.

"Fund raises £££squillion for scanner/little girl with rare disease" or soemthing similar will be inside. Good causes never have a shortage of people willing to voluntarily give to them, and that's with tax at the 95% or whatever it works out at.

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klintock wrote:

Go buy your local paper.

"Fund raises £££squillion for scanner/little girl with rare disease" or soemthing similar will be inside. Good causes never have a shortage of people willing to voluntarily give to them, and that's with tax at the 95% or whatever it works out at.

erm that only works on cutesy stories strangely enough.......

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erm that only works on cutesy stories strangely enough.......

Only cutsie storuies make the paper. Ugly people have friends too.........

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klintock wrote:

Go buy your local paper.

"Fund raises £££squillion for scanner/little girl with rare disease" or soemthing similar will be inside. Good causes never have a shortage of people willing to voluntarily give to them, and that's with tax at the 95% or whatever it works out at.

I do find that interesting. Let's assume that the majority of people agree that tax is necessary. Surely if compulsory taxes were abolished, all of these people would still be willing to pay the same amount they currently do (minus the cost of their own requirements) to various charities, for people who can't afford schools/fire services etc. Otherwise they are hypocrites are they not?

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I do find that interesting. Let's assume that the majority of people agree that tax is necessary. Surely if compulsory taxes were abolished, all of these people would still be willing to pay the same amount they currently do (minus the cost of their own requirements) to various charities, for people who can't afford schools/fire services etc. Otherwise they are hypocrites are they not?

Exactly.

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klintock wrote:

Exactly.

D'you reckon you would, just out of interest?

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If it was voluntary, I could see where the money went and could stop at any time, more than likely.

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Another thing I forgot to mention - isn't stuff like education and medical help a right?

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Yes. You don't have any.

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Meaning what exactly?

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You have no rights.

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Sofie wrote:

Another thing I forgot to mention - isn't stuff like education and medical help a right?

Rights are made up and granted by the government or judiciary. You have no "right" to anything.

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I'm With Stupid wrote:

I do find that interesting. Let's assume that the majority of people agree that tax is necessary. Surely if compulsory taxes were abolished, all of these people would still be willing to pay the same amount they currently do (minus the cost of their own requirements) to various charities, for people who can't afford schools/fire services etc. Otherwise they are hypocrites are they not?

Of course they wouldn't. Every man for himself, and the notion that there is no such thing as society would be the order of the day.

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Why do you think that Kentish?

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John Reid blamed all the problems of immigration the previous government.

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subject13 wrote:

John Reid blamed all the problems of immigration the previous government.

Well there's a surprise. And the previous government contribute anything that this government's achieved to the 'groundwork' their government put in beforehand. :rolleyes:

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klintock wrote:

Why do you think that Kentish?

If you look at the state of the world, even the state of the UK, you will see that people don't actually care very much for people they have no interest in or have any contact with. Sure there's charity, but that can't solve society's wealth gap. People must be forced to pay for the upkeep of our society through violent extortion (aka general taxation). That's the only way it would work, and has ever worked.

If you'll acknowledge for the sake of argument that the world is made up of a lot of different countries, how is it that 10% of the population has 90% of the wealth?

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If you look at the state of the world, even the state of the UK, you will see that people don't actually care very much for people they have no interest in or have any contact with.

What makes up the government? Swiss rolls, ironing boards or people?

So if people are indifferent to other people, why would those in the government do anything but for their own ends being you know, people?

Sure there's charity, but that can't solve society's wealth gap. People must be forced to pay for the upkeep of our society through violent extortion (aka general taxation). That's the only way it would work, and has ever worked.

How is that wealth gap created if not through government intervention in people's lives?

If you'll acknowledge for the sake of argument that the world is made up of a lot of different countries, how is it that 10% of the population has 90% of the wealth?

Because they are paying the violent men and women in the government to guard it?

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klintock wrote:

What makes up the government? Swiss rolls, ironing boards or people?

So if people are indifferent to other people, why would those in the government do anything but for their own ends being you know, people?

Cos they might lose their livelihood if they don't, it being their you know, job?

How is that wealth gap created if not through government intervention in people's lives?

I don't follow, nor do I see the logic that a wealth redistribution would take place in the absence of governments.

Because they are paying the violent men and women in the government to guard it?

....because they don't want to share?

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Kentish wrote:

Cos they might lose their livelihood if they don't, it being their you know, job?

That would be nice. It's wishfull thinking though really isn't it?