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Over flowing with illegal immigrants
BillieTheBot
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You cant fail to have noticed that some parts of the press have whipped themselves up into a xenophobic frezy this morning about illegal immigrants.
Is there indeed a problem?
And if so any ideas what we should do about this 'problem'?
Is there indeed a problem?
And if so any ideas what we should do about this 'problem'?
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What's wrong with having illegal immigrants? I haven't seen anything in the press either for or against them, the papers just say 'OMFGZ ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS' and that's about it.
You wonder why people vote far right....
hmmm you're back then....
Aslong as they're not doing harm whats the problem? probably doing a job no brit would want to do anyway.
Oh, and stop the "state" fundies spreading their madness generally.
There are 1.5m unemployed and a further 2.7m on incapacity benefit, the difference in pay between benefits and unskilled work is very little so for a lot of those people it’s simply not worth working. And with pay rates for the unskilled kept artificially low by a massive pool of cheap labour pay for unskilled work isn't going to increase by much. For the most part it's not that Brits think these jobs are beyond them it's that it doesn't make financial sense.
Further, we're a small and already densely populated island. There's a shortage of housing in the SE. Illegal immigration will always happen but the government has to do whatever it can to prevent it. If it doesn't you're effectively allowing unlimited immigration – something Britain doesn’t have the infrastructure to support. And illegal immigration can have some harmful effects. People trafficking, sex slaves and organised crime for instance.
Yeah, same here.
the problem is price inflation of basic necessities in regards to wages, im no economist so have no idea
if it costs £100/week to rent in london + bills as well, and if i lived on benefits in london, despite being broke as benefits really arent that much, ill have a roof over my head and won't be starving
illegal workers dont bring down wages as those jobs would never be done by legal workers, and despite this countries unemployment level WHICH WILL NEVER BE 0, it is possible to find jobs still if you are trained in the right things, most people who come here, come here because they have a tradeskill which we lack, and most do it legitimatelly also
the people who come here illegally often land up working in unsafe factories, as prostitutes, or hand car washes
the infrastruture is crap because in this country we habit of patching over problems instead of fixing them, the railways in this country sum this up, our track network is over 100 years old in layout, whilst populations have moved around
another thing is that places like scotland and north of england are actually losing people, which further worsens their economy.... whilst places in the south east are overbrimming with people
simple solution to illegal immigrants is to do what they done in spain and have an 'amnesty' of sorts, where if you have been in the country for 9months you can get residency or work permit
There is a problem. Tugger's new girlfriend got in without a visa, I'm bloody sure ...
Not necessarily illegal workers but immigrants – cheap labour do keep wages artificially low. It’s the same story as in America – business lobbies hard for increased immigration because business benefits. Employers paying low wages for cleaning jobs, kitchen jobs, etc aren’t going to increase wages when there’s a constant line of Albanians queuing up to work for crap money. – And unemployed people or people on incapacity benefit understandably won’t take a crap job paying crap money if they can get a similar amount of money from benefits and stay at home.
Legal workers presently on benefits would take those low paid unskilled jobs if it made more economic sense than it does at the moment. But if the choice is between getting an insignificant income from benefits and staying at home or working long hours for bad money in a mundane and crap job and not being much better off people quite understandably will stay at home.
I don’t think many reasonable people have any objection to skilled immigrants coming here. (Although it is incredibly immoral to tempt nurses and doctors from third world countries with better wages when third world countries paid for their training and need them more than us). We also need to improve education and invest in retraining of people already here as a more long term solution to skills shortages.
How is that a solution to illegal immigration? Illegal behaviour should not be rewarded – why should we encourage more people traffickers?
Controlled immigration is the only way.
This government is a complete joke when it comes to this issue. This is Blair's legancy!
Bollocks
a) Pay for the low-skilled has been driven mainly by tech and structural changes, not immigration.
b) Unemployment has got nothing to do with anything, the percentage of self-employed entrepreneurs amongst immigrants is far higher than in the 'native' population, i.e. they are job creators
c) I agree with you that 'they do the jobs Brits won't do' is poor argument but that doesn't matter anyway
d) Small and densely populated is relative, there is loads of space, other countries are more densely populated
e) No reason to think housing wouldn't expand with more people like it always has, more workers to build them as well.
f) Infrastructure is provided as well as consumed by immigrants, is their any reason to believe that it wouldn't continue to be matched as it always has when the popluation has expnaded?
g) The last bit is just saying it is bad because it is illegal, if it weren't illegal then there would be no need for trafficing etc
Anyone who is so supportive of the US and loves it that much but is not in favour of immigration is somewhat confused........
The market rate for pay as a cleaner in a London hotel would be higher if there wasn’t a large pool of cheap labour. Do you dispute that?
Unemployment is a related issue because for many unemployed people it doesn’t make financial sense to go out and do low paid work. The market rate for low paid work has been distorted.
Bye bye Green Belt then?
You’re confused. I’m in favour of immigration, I just don’t think unlimited illegal immigration is a good idea. Um and it’s not as if Americans don’t have qualms about illegal immigration.
My comment concerning why it’s not economically viable for many people on benefits to work could be interpreted as being against all immigrants coming here who take those jobs. (As that’s why the wages are kept low). But I don’t think that’s a realistic solution to the problem of there being so many people on benefits. Progressively cutting the benefits for those capable of working would seem a better idea.
Just because it is a fact that countries with tight migration control enjoy higher standards of living, doesnt mean anything. It might just be a coincidence.
How are we supposed to limit illegal immigration? All political parties keep talking about securing our borders, but we all know thats just rubbish.
Especially the use of years old footage of people running over train tracks in France and the whole hysteria over what is not even a NEW issue.
Just the Conservatives putting it on the agenda. Well what would they do, go round town with an illegal detector and scoop them all up?
How can anyone know how many illegal immigrants there are? Also just because someone is a failed asylum seeker does not make them an illegal immigrant.
because Brits don't commit crime :rolleyes:
Welcome bakc lkue
How? Some people are refused asylum and they are allowed to appeal, plus others may be refused but can't be sent back because they are from countries where there is a war or something. The government knows about them. They are different from people who simply arrived and never claimed asylum and are not on any records. There's also people who are on fake identities, which I believe has increased a lot since the expansion of the EU.
I know quite a lot of Russians who are here on fake Latvian passports. From what I know they are all working.
true
another addition: you have to come into this country illegally to claim asylum. i doubt if you're escaping torture etc your country will let you apply there
a failed application for refugee status may make you an illegal, but there are ways around it, like since your here and might have some useful skills, applying for a work visa :thumb:
how can you limit 'illegal immigration' since it's illegal and something out of the realm of government, unless they mean clamping down on the links between organised crime and officials who can allow this
Which will mean no emergency services, teachers and other jobs that we pay our taxes for.
Insurance and voluntary trade solve both of those. Anything else?
You're talking rubbish as usual...