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Course it is.
Or make some unaccountable, unknown person wealthy off the back of harvesting your bits. "Medical research".
If there is cash in taking your stuff, the paperwork will go missing, it will be falsified. If it's run by a state ageny it will be run appallingly and they will get it wrong. They manage to stuff it up when the default position is doing nothing, allowing them to take action will lead to more getting it wrong.
Regardless, you seem to think you have the right to my corpse to use as you see fit. You don't.
You are extremely paranoid about something of which you have no proof or reason. You dont know that paperwork will go missing, or that it would be run appallingly. The way I see it is that it will increase the donor list by thousands (namely adding those people who don't care either way) I'm sure they aren't going to be seeking out your corpse when they'll be plenty of others they can have legally.
I don't think I have a right to your corpse nobody here does but if people can't be arsed to opt-out then they surely aren't that bothered in the first place.
If you were my next of kin and I had the choice of what to do with your body then even if you did object I'd still have you donated to save life. I couldn't sleep if I didn't.
Let the flaming begin..... :nervous:
I know that both those things will happen. The government runs everything badly. It always has and it always will.
Theres the problem. You think that "the law" can entitle you to anything. It's just words on paper, written by fuckwits who want to hide violence. So, if I write my opinion down on paper then am I entitled to harvest YOUR bodily organs after you die to use in my own medical research?
The position of having to ask and beg to others for the use of your own body should fill you with horror.
Make your mind up which opinion you hold please. It can't be both. Either no one has a right to your corpse, or they do. Which is it?
So you have more of a say over what happens to my body than I do? That must mean that I can reverse this process, and say that I would just cremate yours regardless of your wishes.
Enough flames in an oven, neh?
I know you'd prefer to let your organ die or buried with you instead of using them to save a life.
what happen if you are the one who is severely injured and will die and nobody decide to give their dead relative's organ to you? gave it a thought.
help is reciprocal, you need to help others if you want others to help you. keep that in mind. i know you have alot your daddy's propaganda in your mind. :razz:
No one has the right to your body in terms of going against your own "legal" opinion of what you want done with it, but what about the people who are too lazy to express their opinion, obviously they don't care what happens to it so by default it should be used to save life. I will say again, I agree with opt-out, the people with strong beliefs get to do what they want and those that don't care save lives. Win-win.
I would have more of a say over your body (if you were my next of kin) when you are dead, yes. Yes if you were my next of kin you could cremate my ashes regardless of my wishes. You would in effect be the owner of my corpse.
No.
I want it burned. ASAP.
This will never happen. Why do I know this? Because you raised the point and so many people want to give their organs away.
And grabbing hold of corpses and cutting them up without permission is reciprocal how, exactly?
A victim of propoganda? That's a new one on me.
do you have some severe issue of reading and complehension. reread it. :thumb:
he is making me laugh so bad.
Pretty simple really. It's like those who say that without taxation the poor would suffer (almost everyone). The very fact that there is a concern to provide organs means that they will always be available when needed.
No. If I misunderstood what you wrote, that's your fault not mine. Rewrite it.
Living in a fantasy land will do that to yoyur sense of humour, "chinese" person.
okie, dokie, i'll leave that to everyone's common sense. you must be with your god, nothing can hurt you, not even accident.
I feel really grateful to live in a secular society.
do you, or do you not, respect the livingwishes and intentions of someone, after they have died?
Why is it that?
An opt-out system would also respect peoples wishes after they have died, surely?
I think those who are willing to help others should get help in return.
when it come to klintock, there's no need to save him. away. :wave:
he think he will be fine without anyone's help, :thumb:
yes but an opt out system doesnt mean the person agrees, it just means they havnt opted out
where as if they opt in, there is definitive consent in the form of a yes
I understand what you are saying and I do in a a way agree but it still comes back to the fact that if they really did care that much they would go through the bother of opting-out, those that didn't opt-out obviously arent bothered. For the sake of saving lives I think its worth it.
Why don't they just ask you when you sign up at a doctors or something, if you opt-out? That way everyone is being asked.
equally if people want to be a donor so much, then they can opt in
Exactly, but opt-out would save lives because lots of people who want to be donors don't bother to get cards.
As much as an opt-out system seems to be the flip side to opt-in, opt-in gives the illusion of more control. Instead of it being "we are going to take your bits unless you say no", having to opt-in makes it seem more voluntary, more of a choice rather than being forced into a decision. Perhaps it's just an illusion of choice......
This is why I don't post in here, I can't express myself properly. At least about stuff like this :mad:
Maybe so, I would like to see a system where people are asked on registration for different things e.g. passports, doctors registration etc.
Don't be silly, you expressed that perfectly. In fact of all the opt-in arguments I've read today your one post has made me think the most.
like they currently do with drivers licences
Well its a debate aint it? I'm allowed to change my mind. :razz:
It would be half and half really because if everyone was asked then you would have to either opt-in or opt-out.
I can't remember them asking me, and it doesn't have it written on there or anything
when did you apply for yours, cause 3 years ago there was a tick box on one of the forms
Seven years ago! Ooo I feel old now! :razz:
I am basing my position upon the objection I always hear in this argument, the fact that you can successfully justify mass robbery using it and the kindness I see in my day to day life.
What are you basing yours on?
There are two options.
1) No one really gives a shit. In which case no democracy has any business using force (indeed couldn't get the support) to MAKE people care.
2) People would do it voluntarily. In which case a democracy has no need to be using force to MAKE people care.
So why should this be anything other than the case?