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Well I was going to apologise to you for making a statmant about you "white flighting" but obviously Im not going to do so now.
Did you need someone else to make an atttack on me before you felt brave enough to follow through your self, If you felt that you should have said it your self.
You should have been here long enough to know that Kermit specialises in maing personall attacks rather than debating points, yet you say that about me, If your so happy to live in a majority non whiter area then perhaps you should have said something about this comment
"Asians are responsible for rapes in many communities, and they are breeding and harbouring terrorists, especially in Lancashire and Yorkshire. What the BNP say about the situation in Keighley is true,"
Or this
"it isn't the white people who are having the riots, is it? It isn't the white people blowing up tube trains, is it? And in Nottingham it isn't the white people fuelling the gangland murder spree."
or
"There is a culture in Bradford of seeing women as inferior, there is a culture of shouting vile racist and sexist abuse at any young white women in that city, and following that abuse up with threatening behaviour and actions"
You live in a similer area is this your experience
yet you have a go about my comment about the fact of white people moving out of areas when they become predomidantly non white.
But we shouldn't be diverting from the point. Not much point arguing whether foreign political parties should be banned. That's not for us to decide.
I agree to an extent. Israel is indeed the best argument against PR. In Israel it’s impossible to form a coalition government without including some undesirable elements, whether it’s Labor, Likud – or now Kadima it’s almost impossible to form a coalition without including one of the ultra-Orthodox religious parties. I believe in Britain if we had PR after a few elections smaller parties would gather support and the likes of the BNP could even gain seats.
I’m not particularly concerns with the rantings of some fringe Likud member of the Knesset in the last coalition. But lets consider the present Israeli Kadima coalition and the Hamas government. Hamas are undeniably anti-Semitic; any basic research of their campaigning methods, propaganda and statements by its members displays a virulent and hateful grouping of extremists. Hamas makes no distinction between Zionists and Jews, nor for that matter does it distinguish between Israelis and non-Israelis – or combatants and non-combatants. Indeed, Hamas like Islamic Jihad now almost exclusively murdered non-combatants. You really cannot compare the Hamas fundamentalists to Kadima.
No, that's not my experience.
Not every area that undergoes changes in its core inhabitants will experience the same problems. I don't see why I should have to "say something" about every comment or vehemently agree or disagree with everyone else's experience of living in a multi-cultural area just because I profess to live in one myself.
I don't have first-hand experience of the majority of these situations/issues/problems, so I don't see fit to comment on them. Living as a white person in a predominantly non-white area doesn't make me an authority on such topics - unfortunately.
My main issue with your earlier post was the (imo) strange correlation you seemed to make being rural folk being outpriced in the property market, and the fact that white people move out of certain communities with an influx of "ethnic minorities". I'm not "making an attack", I'd be interested to know why you made that connection.
The point I was making, If an influx of people come into an area regardless of where it is and how rich they are, they will create extra demands on the infrastructure, such as housing and health care, this happens both in "working class white areas" and in rural comunities.
Those in rural comunities can complain about it fine, if the poor white people complaine about it there branded as racist.
To be honest if rural people complain about it they're accused of being unthinking NIMBY reactionaries by townies who want to turn parts of into carparks and parts into ye olde tymes theme parks.
If we are debating the point of banning a party for been rascist that is a different argument and different debate all together. As then it becomes a debate on censorship and not on politics. Censoring what the BNP can say or making them appear on debating shows or in public forums to show their weaknesses and lack of credibility is the answer there. So far they are not debated with, merely dismissed, hence why they have such popularity.
It does? Must rethink my opinion on what a Semite is.
Being anti-Judaic would be Sectarianism not Racism.
How is Hamas anti-Jewish. Anti-Israel maybe, anti-Jewish no.
:rolleyes: Almost everybody accepts the conventional definition of anti-Semitism as hatred or discrimination against Jews. Clandestine can argue the semantic of it and you can parrot him but it doesn’t change the dictionary definition of the word and its accepted meaning.
Er yeah whatever. Anti-Semitism is evident in the Hamas Covenant, the Covenant quotes the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. The co-founder of Hamas, Abdel Aziz al-Rantissi repeatedly denied the Holocaust branding it a ‘Zionist myth.’ Further anti-Semitism is pretty central to Hamas campaign literature which rarely refers to Zionists or Israelis but systematically to Jews.
Anyway if you want to act out of character and do some research on something you act so knowledgeable upon a good start would be here and here.
It’s testament to your ignorance that Hamas is ‘maybe’ anti-Israel – doubting Hamas’ anti-Israel credentials is equal to pondering whether a white supremacist is racist or not. As well as despising the existence of Israel however Hamas is indisputably anti-Semitic – that you’re questioning that when all the facts display otherwise is about as disgusting as a National Front supporter claiming the NF is not racist.
What are you on about now? I guess an intelligent response is beyond you. Although I wouldn't ever expect one from you.
Sorry I just got sick of reading the "anti-semitism" and "anti-semitic" comments you made, buzz word of the year indeed.
true that.
What the fuck do you mean by buzz word of the year?
Uhuh, well I get sick of reading your pointless posts – Hamas is 'not anti-Semitic', Hamas is ‘maybe’ anti-Israel – I mean ffs why comment on something you don’t have a clue about?
Only Cland does, and we know that.
Does it? Does it really?
That'd be why it just got utterly thrashed in a Keighley by-election for a seat they held, yeah?
The BNP is nothing. Although it does amuse me how someone like Griffin has managed to get the left right where he wants it without having to lift a finger.
Yes, it is my opinion.
But you won't catch me demanding for these people to be banned and jailed for saying what they think.
Clan is an expert in his field of wild and nonsensical conspiracy theories, in that area he’s the unchallenged authority here - oh and he’s got the legendary, amateur anonymous sources to back his bizarre ideas up. However, while I’m just a student myself I think it’s pretty safe to say that any history tutor at any half-decent university would hardly call Clan’s rants an authoritative commentary of Middle Eastern history.
Anyway I'm no expert myself but I qualify my statements with fact. And I know perfectly well that Hamas is anti-Semitic and anti-Israel, tbh that’s such basic well documented evident fact that anybody ignorant of it is probably ignorant of most issues on the Middle East.
So Turlough first denies that Hamas is anti-Semitic and questions whether the terrorist group is even anti-Israel. I’m baffled. Then when his ridiculous claim is discredited he responds by calling anti-Semitism a buzz word. First he denies the existence of anti-Semitism in a particular case and then he seeks to belittle and trivialise anti-Semitism entirely. It's pretty obvious therefore to me that he doesn't like Jews. I dunno, maybe he’s just a thick chav – the sort of ignorant person that is typical BNP member. Either way I'm pretty disgusted and won't waste any of my time in future discussing anything with him.
IT does pale in comparison to the Israeli government anti-everyone attitude though. ;d
And besides, Israel doesn't exist. Klint has TOLD us this, it is just disillusioned (Oh, see waht I did there?;) ) idiots fighting because they think countries DO exist...
HAMAS and the Israelis are both wrong, but HAMAS to a lesser degree, they've killed far less.
Fuck it. If Iran nukes Israel, it'll get HAMAS too anyway.
You may as well have done. It is certainly the agenda of many of your posts.
But why the obsession with "white"?
Immigrants first move to the poor areas, because that's all they can afford. Take Bradford. Where the Asian people live now was populated by poor Polish and Ukrainian immigrants 50 years ago, and 100 years ago it was populated by poor Irish people. 200 years ago it was populated with poor rural people.
Rich people move out of poor areas and move to rich areas. Poor people try and move from the poorest areas into richer ones. It has NOTHING to do with colour, much as you'd love to try and claim it is.
Immigrants aren't creating any "extra burdens" on infrastructure, again much as you'd like to claim they are.
If you wish to prove that immigrants are driving people into "white flight" (which is the same as saying white people are being driven out, after all) then go and get some stats. If you wish to prove that "white flight" is driving up rural prices then go and do so. If you wish to prove that immigrants are putting "extra burden" on "our" services, then do so.
I suspect you'll just toddle off, call me a "sad loser", and then try and pretend that you're not a prat talking utter shite.
Then perhaps you ought to read the rest of my post for a pleasant change. Especially the bit where I said it had nothing to do with colour or race, yeah?
There are problems with lawlessness in these areas, and the people driving the crime are not from the white communities. It doesn't make it racist to point this out, and I do apologise to the board if it came across that way.
You’re not serious but when you say it talk of a country nuking another is truly scary, nuclear war isn’t a guaranteed outcome of Iran getting nukes but the possibility is greatly increased. The world will be a lot more dangerous place if Iran gets a nuclear weapon, unfortunately I don’t see how we can stop them without military action – which isn’t feasible.
By ‘HAMAS and the Israelis are both wrong’ I’m guessing you mean the Israeli government – because you’ll find many of the Israeli government’s biggest critics are Israelis. However, that the IDF has killed more people than Hamas doesn’t make Hamas wrong to a lesser degree. IDF soldiers don’t wake up in the morning and dream of blowing up 20 Palestinians in a cafe. Hamas has in the past carried out many terrorist attacks – suicide bombs targeted exclusively at innocent people. And it hasn’t exactly condemned the suicide bomb at the weekend by Islamic Jihad. You cannot compare the terrorism of Hamas and Islamic Jihad targeted solely at non-combatants - civilians to operations by the IDF targeted against terrorism. (Terrorists being combatants). Israel isn’t perfect but IDF soldiers are ordinary Israelis like us, they’re not cold blooded killers who think murdering a load of innocent people then blowing themselves up will get them 72 virgins. Fairnuff you don’t like Bush and think Israel is heavy-handed but instead of constantly condemning the Israelis try and understand their position for a change. Or visit Israel if you ever get a chance, it's pretty safe mostly and Tel Aviv and Eilat are fun and hey you'll get to see the place that we've been discussing on here for the past few yrs.
Proving (and unprovoked in this case by any post of mine let it be noted) that you remain the preeminent intractible and repetitory know-nothing on these boards, dis.
The fact that you have repeatedly resorted to your mantra of falsehoods to mask your inability to answer the clearly documented history of your beloved non-liberal democratic, ethnocidally-founded, particularist ideology-driven extremist state only lessens any claim you make (and make them often you do indeed) to support the principles of true pluralistic democracy.
When directly confronted to substantiate your assertions concerning my sources (which are more than verifiably referenced to historic factual data) you do nothing more than crawl back under your rock, biding your time to renew your mantra in yet another thread.
You've been discredited more times than can be counted at this point. Even calling yourself a student begs incredulity given that you demonstrate no capacity whatsoever for true study nor critical review for the beliefs undoubtedly handed down to you by equally less than reasoned ideologues.
Perhaps one day you may even come to comprehend the shallowness of your rhetorically and factually misplaced application of terms like "anti-semite" insofar as the most aggregius anti-semites in the Middle East are those who have carried on the murderous, inflammatory and wholly grasping agenda of the Israeli state founders to this day. A cabal of Eastern European origin with no semitic roots whatsoever who have made state terrorism against the true Semites of the region (the arab muslims majority and to a lesser extent the second class Arab Jewish Israeli citizens) the status quo for more than half a century and many years prior.
Being the scholastically intractible and unteachable sod you are though, I wouldnt advocate anyone holding their breath waiting for the light of reason and factual reassessment to dawn on you.
LOL. The first part is indeed true but the second is signs of serious self delusion indeed.
You dismiss "facts" as fast as any of the rabid bushbots at military.com. One need only revisit the many threads in which you've dodged and evaded any and all references showing your assumptions patently false.
But don't let reality invade your PR-serving dream world, doubtful you could handle the mental repercussions.
You missed the interviews with them...!
Yes,that "smart artillery" in those refugee camps (REfugees because the Israeli's illegal invaded their land where they lived) no doubt only targets terrorists. And the massacre...
I understand their position. They just have to stop occupying land and pull out. Then they are quite justified if they defend their country. But you can't expect people to be happy if A) you illegally occupy their land - and then
At least Colin Powell realised they had to stop doing this and TRIED to help.
I would like to. Its effing expensive though. I need a job first. Wouldn't be a bad place to visit... could even go and see the Wall, have been to Cyprus, last divided place in Europe. Seen whats left of the Berlin Wall... so see the Palestine Wall! It might even get some kick-ass style Graffiti!
Shut your silly little face. Republicans in Northern Ireland may be against the State of Northern Ireland, doesn't mean they hate the British people themselves. Same as anti-Zionists.
And it is a buzz word, "anti-Semitic this, anti-semitism" that, bla bla this bla bla that! Go home.
exactly, why i'd never go there
The vast majority of the ‘wall’ is actually just a security fence. It’s saved hundreds of lives since its construction – dozens of suicide bomb attacks have been thwarted. Also, the Israelis have clearly said they hope to be able to dismantle the fence following final peace negotiations. It’s not a permanent border and when the Palestinians want to sit down and negotiate a serious final peace agreement the security fence will be either drastically rerouted or dismantled altogether. Unsurprisingly and understandably however when the Palestinian government has still not renounced terrorism and violence the Israelis aren’t in any rush to pull down a fence that has prevented numerous suicide bomb terrorist attacks.