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I think that's more about promoting people just because they've been on the shop floor. Not everyone can manage. But IME, the best ones are ones who have been on the shop floor.
IME, "professional" managers couldn't manage a piss up in a brewery.
This is just utter bollocks. Where do you think profits come from?
But you've always known that you will go on to be a doctor. So no doubt you put up with shit wages 'cos you knew it wasn't for ever.
It might also clue you up if you read some history of the industrial revolution and the working classes. Specifically struggles over the working day, pay and conditions.
You haven't actually read my posts properly have you?
For the record - I have had some very good managers. They have all been people promoted up from "the shop floor" (so to speak).
You might want to rethink that...
See, this is a typical priviledged middle class attitude. Not everyone actually has a choice y'know. Christ, you must have led a sheltered life.
Think about it.
...and to add to this - they have all been people who haven't actually seen themselves as above the workers.
So you don't think that people's life choices are limited by experience? :eek:
I'm from a lower middle class background. But I don't assume that eveyone had the same chances as me.
I suggest you do my last job (education/employment worker at a south London substance misuse service) then and tell my clients, the project workers and service manager that they're ill informed. :mad:
Utter utter utter shite.
Everyone always has choices. This fatalistic gubbins really doesn't suit someone who is supposed to be helping people. I mean, why fucking bother if that's what you really believe?
OK - take this example. A woman bringing up 2 kids on her own, living on a housing estate, working 2 jobs to provide for her kids. No real education so she cleans offices in the morning and works in a supermarket days/evenings. What choice does she have?
Or another one - a single man in his mid 40's, recovering from an alcohol addiction. Used to live in a hostel, was rehoused in private accomodation, rent is £170/week, paid for by the social. Would like to spend a couple of years re-training and doing vol work so he can get a job working with other people recovering from alcohol problems. Unfortunately he's on JSA so is forced to go on New Deal and quit his training course. How is he going to get a job that will allow him to pay his rent, bills, council tax etc? I can't afford £170/week rent.
Another one - a single man in his late 40's, again recovering from alcohol addiction. Used to be a printer, but his old job doesn't exist anymore cos technology has moved on. Found a job in reprographics place, pays £14K but the council are taking £250/month out of his wages due to him owing council tax from when his life was in disarray. He's like to retrain but can't afford it. Also suffers from depression. Where's his choices?
Also, looking at the whole issue if wages were raised to a level where people could work moderate hours and earn enough to live on, wouldnt that also force many companies out of business? I am not talking about huge multi-nationals, conglomerates, or big businesses either, i am talking about the average guy who owns a business in the local town market. Or the person who runs a family business that is only a Ltd company? These people under the current system couldnt afford to take on the neccessary staff to cover all opening hours for serving customers, etc and also pay the wages to the staff.
It is all well and good hating the "Big faceless evil corporations" that run everything, but people should think of the smaller businesses and average bosses who will be affected. It will just be bye bye to another chunk of British business, resulting in yet more unemployment, debts and winters of discontent.
Also, in this French traffic control strike, are they a private business? Or are they nationalised?
You really can't see the opportunities in your examples, can you?
Again, voluntary work, night school or distance learning are all choices for him. He can talk to the debt collectors about his repayments.
A shit job? Shit place to live? No prospects?
Can't share a house with strangers, has no friends or family that can share with, no point in working part time on benefits (you'll only ever be £5 better off and will be hassled to get a full time job), courses don't run in the evenings, weekend vol work is not enough
You're living in a dream world aren't you? Any idea how long it takes to get a referral to a counsellor from a GP? It can take 18 months+. Going privately costs - he was actually paying privately on a sliding scale but has had to give it up cos he can't afford it.
Again, get in the real world. He's seen the CAB, there's nowt he can do - he's had an attachement earnings court order. And have you any idea how much night school costs?
This is what I mean when I say you're privileged. You have no clue about what life is actually like for a lot of people.
Maybe she could do the ECDL - costs £395 in all, if you're working. That's not even taking into account fitting it around childcare and work.
See my post above
i don't know if I have one - I'm illustrating your naivety
Sorry, but it doestake that long.
Not if you're working they're not.
Grants were phased out some years ago. And how is someone who left school with no real qualifications 30+ years ago going to go to the OU? Get real ffs.
Fucking clueless.
Anyway, financial help for Lambeth students is available for those on low incomes.
Heres what I would do with the three cases -
First one -
Nothing. She's fed, her family is fed, she has a job. No problem here except for the absurd ideas of entitlement.
Second one. Move somewhere else, get a job.
Third one - nothing. Man has a job, income and can save up. He has some skills, he can get more. It'll take time, but he made bad choices to get where he is so he has to face the consequences of that.
Theres not a thing wrong in any of those scenarios that saving up some cash and a bit of discipline and a sense of reality won't fix. What you are aducking is that those people are choosing to stay in those situations for the most part.
You're having a fucking laugh aintcha? :mad:
Clueless, totally clueless.
I've worked with both groups of people and its not as easy as you appear to think. You've got a lot to learn.