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Yeah I get that about overseas call centres. Subject13 seemed to be saying that staff in UK call centres should all be speaking RP.
I suppose that must depend on your industry, and how lucky you are with your choice of large company.
A few months ago, I left a small company to work for a much larger company and the benefits have been enormous. The salary is the same, but they chuck in stuff like a pension and health insurance, and a lot of holiday.
The hours are also less (35 as opposed to 40 a week), and I get paid for overtime.
I wouldn't rule out working for myself, but I don't plan to work for a small business again (unless I've some financial interest in it).
You and others supporting your point continue to labour under the delusion that the motivation matters, it does not, only the result does.
These people will earn more than the average local wage and this is good for them, how can you deny that?
Exactly this kind of ridiculous ideological delusion that has led to such poor economic policy in many developing countries.........
Companies move abroard because it is cheaper, it is the very fact that they can provide this benefit to companies that attracts the investment from the developed world that will help them develop.
They are not being made to work there are they?
The very fact that people take these jobs is because they want to and that should tell you that there is clear benefit to many people.
Yes well educated people might be better off employed in more productive capacities but until such industries are developed that is not an option. The alternative would be to leave to the developed world which would be bad for India.
I am glad you admit to the benefit.......
...and the result is what? Highly educated people working in low skilled jobs getting paid peanuts and having to ask permission to pee. Great.
Personally I'd prefer to see a situation where people do worthwhile jobs for decent pay. But hey, thats just me I guess.
Why wouldn't you have pollution and environmental damage under alternative systems? Command economies are more likely to lead to environmental damage than a market based one.
Any evidence that on the other stuff as well?
You don't really have a fucking clue what life is like for some people do you? They're not being made to work there :rolleyes: You twat. Do you not think that economic circumstances forces people to do things they'd rather not?
Oh boy.
I'll ask again Toady, ever had a job?
Is it me or do you two think there is some magical solution to having to work for a living?
What do you think the answer to people who voluntarily trade being a bit exploitative is?
I am guessing giving other people a monopoly on violence and closing your eyes really tight whilst wishing they won't be exploitative themselves.
The only thing wrong with the scenario is that governments are stopping people open up even more businesses. With such low wages in an economic vacuum and such high profits to be made, you'd think that everyone would be there making a buck.
They ain't, and you have government to thank for that.
What on earth are you gibbering about?
Yes life is bad for some people, how do you proopose to deliver the beautiful communist paradise that you want?
These people have beeter jobs that the alternative hence why they apply for these jobs, yes there is nothing that you might think is a 'good' option, but what are you going to do?
Good jobs, 'dignity' of work etc don't just drop out of the air right? What are you doing about it, what is your amazing plan, I'm eager to here it.........
Yes
What is that to do with anything?
Seeing as capitalism is about profit at any cost, it leads to far worse environmental damage than is necessary. We produce lots of things we don't need. For what? Someone's bank balance.
What has command economy got to do with anything?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/234918.stm
You don't have a clue about what life is like for a lot of people do you?
All I know is that the current system is inherently exploitative. It isn't the "best" way of running anything. The entire system is rotten to the core.
There's nothing wrong with working for a living. It'd be great if we actually had that situation.
Paper rounds don't count
What on earth does this mean, you do I guess?
You have lots of experience of working in India I guess?
What is the point you are painfully clumsily trying to make?
So you admit that you are talking complete bollocks then, well done.......
Ah the petty insult, the standard way to 'win' an argument for someone of your great intellect..........
Well, no, actually.
I can't believe they ever let you graduate from Remedial English 101.
This is what's wrong. I don't know how to fix it.
Just because I'm not a plumber it doesn't mean my boiler ain't frigged.
Why is it bad?
Bollocks. Why the hell would a capitalist engage in actions that would destroy his capital?
Moron.
To pay the interest on a debt that doesn't exist, created by government. All inequalities are created by the banking system and state coercion, not capitalism.
Capitalism is a great way of getting things done. Unfortunately almost no one really believes that mutual and voluntary co-operation is the way to go and so theres a lot of people willing to use violence to "make things fairer". I have no need to point out how stupid that is.
All the rottenness mainly comes from a few political theories that people believe in that require people in government not to be people. It's like the early belief in god or thinking that the pope doesn't have sexual needs. Those in government happily peddle this shit and make sure you have to eat it through their education programs etc.
Capitalisms one great overriding benefit is the gadgets it provides. If anything is going to come up with solutiions it's not going to be political theorists like Blagsta, it's going to be some young bloke tinkering in his garage or whatnot.
I don't think it is bad, really.
Of course, I'd have a different view if I worked in a call centre (or had to phone Dell)
Obviously not...
People already in employment will lose their jobs. Not because the company is losing money and needs to cut costs, but simply so that the CEO and shareholders can make more money. Sod individual people in thos jobs who need them, lets put them on the dole so we can buy another Ferrari this year.
Exploiting the cheaper workers is bad for them too. It's not even about the money itself. It's about Dell exploiting the lack of workers protection, creaming off more of the labour of the country, and destroying anyone who gets in their way.
I'm fucked if I know how to stop these companies raping the world and its people in the way that it does, but you'd have to be daft to think its a great way to run a world.
It's great if you're running the world for money. I'd rather run the world for the people in it.
Do you honestly believe that we're working harder and for less pay than say a medieval peasant or a miner in the 19th century?
It's all comparative.
Except it just isn't.
I have a standard of living that kings of old would have lost an arm for. If your going to live relative to others and not relative to your own needs you are always going to feel shit on.
So jobs should be for life, people should never get sacked? What about consumers who may benefit from a cheaper service? Are you sure that Dell don't need to cut costs?
Why are the Indians being exploited, they are being offered jobs that are better than the average job in India. How is it bad for them, they get paid higher than the normal wage.
Creaming off labour? Destroying people?
Dell made profit of $1.2bn last year, why should UK workers lose our jobs just so a company can increase profits and pay more to shareholders?