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    Teh_GerbilTeh_Gerbil Posts: 13,332 Born on Earth, Raised by The Mix
    bongbudda wrote:
    Exactly, all you need to do is use long words and talk in riddles and you too can be a conspiracy nut.

    Have you ever noticed how bankers always have money? Strange isnt it, clearly they're in league with the Saucer People.

    Or how nearly all of the worst dictators have had facial hair! Hitler... Stalin... Thatcher... Coincidence... I THINK NOT! :lol:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Teh_Gerbil wrote:
    Or how nearly all of the worst dictators have had facial hair! Hitler... Stalin... Thatcher... Coincidence... I THINK NOT! :lol:

    If only we could do away with facial hair the World would live in peace once again.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Gothmar wrote:
    Of course not.

    For their next trick, a thermonuclear device shipped all the way from the Persian Gulf.

    Through the Suez Canal to pick up the detonator assembly from mossad, then onto one of those highly efficient ports recently purchased by Al CIAda LOL :eek:

    It is not the Americans causing war, it is the global elite. This is a collection of individuals with immense wealth and power, who meet regularly to plan the future of the entire planet.

    They are using America like they used Germany. They are the bankers, and more recently corporate wealth. They are WELL connected and insist on total control through a plutocratic regime.

    This has more to do with the control of power. Please exercise some sagacity and penetrate the propaganda of state, country, and nation bullshit.

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Walkindude wrote:
    Yet it is a fact that its the left side of politics that wants more government invlovement in EVERYTHING we do. In government, in business, eductaion our very lives. Its the elft that wants the true "Nanny State". But most people ignore this fact.

    I guess you never heard of anarchism or libertarian socialism or communism. The ultimate goal of communism is the complete abolition of the state.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    What evidence? Evidence that the US govt carried out 9/11? Don't be so daft. There is no evidence, I've looked into it. Its nonsense.

    Yep - there's some unanswered questions about the events on that day (i.e, what happened to Flight 93), which I'm sure are down to the incompetence of the Bush government and subsequent desire to cover up that incompetence, but to get some gigantic conspiracy out of it all takes a massive suspension of disbelief and a gift for fiction.

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Voodoo Ray wrote:
    Yep - there's some unanswered questions about the events on that day (i.e, what happened to Flight 93), which I'm sure are down to the incompetence of the Bush government and subsequent desire to cover up that incompetence, but to get some gigantic conspiracy out of it all takes a massive suspension of disbelief and a gift for fiction.

    http://www.learningandteaching.info/learning/dissonance.htm
    :wave:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    . There is no evidence, I've looked into it. Its nonsense.
    so what did you think of the engineers and scientists in this video ...or are you satisfied and now look no further?

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=psP_9RE0V2I
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    I guess you never heard of anarchism or libertarian socialism or communism. The ultimate goal of communism is the complete abolition of the state.

    hahahaha. They really achieved their goal. Communism is the biggest state there is. Its not what it says on the tin.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Walkindude wrote:
    hahahaha. They really achieved their goal. Communism is the biggest state there is. Its not what it says on the tin.

    You are mixing up what calls itself Communism (but which is basically a dictatorship) with the idea of communism itself.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Except with all the questions the conspiracy theory fails to provide better answers than the mainstream version and indeed has thousands of questions of its own which they don't tend to answer. But if you question the theorists about their holes they accuse you off being a sheeple, a stoodge or incapable of critical thought.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    NQA wrote:
    Except with all the questions the conspiracy theory fails to provide better answers than the mainstream version and indeed has thousands of questions of its own which they don't tend to answer. But if you question the theorists about their holes they accuse you off being a sheeple, a stoodge or incapable of critical thought.
    have you watched this latest video?
    a growing number of scholars are now convinced the government line isn't only untrue ...it's impossible.
    physics etc ...waste forty minutes of your life and watch it ...and conclusions are come to as to who and how but ...these people have to be very careful.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Spliffie wrote:
    Well, it was a better attempt at analysis than what you've just posted (nonsense). Yeah, the internet is good for making money. Did "Gothmar" suggest anyone wants rid of it?

    Yes it was very well thought out to say that 'the capitalist' controls all government policy.

    Gothmar implied that 'capitalists' wanted control over the internet presumably because there is some mysterious quality to do with the internet that will lead to a communist revolution etc
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    NQA wrote:
    Except with all the questions the conspiracy theory fails to provide better answers than the mainstream version and indeed has thousands of questions of its own which they don't tend to answer. But if you question the theorists about their holes they accuse you off being a sheeple, a stoodge or incapable of critical thought.

    It seems like a lot of the 9/11 conspiracy theorists are willing to believe anything, even the wildest, most outlandish ideas - anything, except for the possibility they might be wrong.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Some things occur.

    The government's story is obvious rubbish. One of the buildings just falls over all on it's own, ffs. No skyscraper in history has (apart from the WTC) been destroyed by fire. They are designed so it can't happen, even with jet fuel.

    A large hole causing a collapse I can understand, but not a uniform collapse floor by floor, the fucking things should have fallen over sideways, like one of Dibnah's chimneys.

    The government did as little as possible investigation to find out what happened - ergo it's covering up.

    If it's covering up, then theres something to cover up.

    I watched it unfold on the day, having just gone off nights (thank fuck I don't do that anymore!) and it went from theres a plane hit the twin towers to Osama did it amazingly quickly. Like the space of an hour quickly.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I'm not surprised Osama bin Laden's name came up so quickly - he'd been threatening massive terror attacks on America for quite some time before 9/11 - first thing I asked when I was told about the attacks on the day was something about bin Laden.

    I haven't got the structural engineering background to know which side of the debate is in the right on the debate about WTC7, maybe the report due sometime this year will shed some light on the matter.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories#World_Trade_Center_Seven

    I'm sure plenty of things are being covered up but I suspect they're more to do with failures of the American government to respond to the situation/act on intelligence received before the event, etc.

    Just about everything the Bush government has done before, during, and since 9/11 makes me convinced that they couldn't orchestrate chewing gum and walking at the same time, let alone the biggest conspiracy in history.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Voodoo Ray wrote:
    I'm not surprised Osama bin Laden's name came up so quickly - he'd been threatening massive terror attacks on America for quite some time before 9/11 - first thing I asked when I was told about the attacks on the day was something about bin Laden.

    I haven't got the structural engineering background to know which side of the debate is in the right on the debate about WTC7, maybe the report due sometime this year will shed some light on the matter.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories#World_Trade_Center_Seven

    I'm sure plenty of things are being covered up but I suspect they're more to do with failures of the American government to respond to the situation/act on intelligence received before the event, etc.

    Just about everything the Bush government has done before, during, and since 9/11 makes me convinced that they couldn't orchestrate chewing gum and walking at the same time, let alone the biggest conspiracy in history.
    you haven't bothered to watch the video then ...
    how it is impossible for a hundred and ten storey building to colla-se in ten seconds ...ten floors a second.

    THAT ...can only ...ONLY ...be achieved through controlled demolition.

    oh it just happened this time ...three times in one day!
    and building seven ...had a small fire and no impact damage.
    the owner is on the video saying the fire department decided to 'pull' it.
    demolish it instead of putting the fires out ...so ...while thousands of people are dying ...while chaos ensues ...somehow ...a team of demolition experts rush into the burning fifty storey building and wire up five thousand demolition charges and neatly drop the building ...all in an hour...
    you people must have your heads up your arses!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Walkindude wrote:
    hahahaha. They really achieved their goal. Communism is the biggest state there is. Its not what it says on the tin.

    I love you walkindude. With every post you show yourself up to be more and more ignorant, its hilarious to watch. :D

    Don't go changing now.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    have you watched this latest video?
    a growing number of scholars

    Who are these "scholars"? Names and credentials please.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    Who are these "scholars"? Names and credentials please.
    another one who has 'looked into' ...these things and already made his mind up ...without even clicking on the links.
    i can't be arsed if you can't.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Didn't think you'd have any credible sources. Quelle surprise. :rolleyes:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    Didn't think you'd have any credible sources. Quelle surprise. :rolleyes:
    read the fucking thread!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Toadborg wrote:
    Yes it was very well thought out to say that 'the capitalist' controls all government policy.

    Gothmar implied that 'capitalists' wanted control over the internet presumably because there is some mysterious quality to do with the internet that will lead to a communist revolution etc

    It's the unlimited dissemination of ideas, all on a roughly equal footing, which is the problem. The ultra-capitalists have been paranoid about alternatives to their system for decades, hence various wars, CIA-backed coups, Communist witch-hunts etc etc. The internet poses a similar threat, on a directly international level.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    read the fucking thread!

    I have. Surely if its true, you can name these "scholars" and tell me what credentials they have.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    I have. Surely if its true, you can name these "scholars" and tell me what credentials they have.
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    Isn't one of them the emeritus professor of engineering from MIT?

    I was half cut when I watched it mind.

    Ofc, while I was writing this out, Rolly was comiling a who's who. :yippe:
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    Editor, Freelance writer, Critical care respiratory therapy

    Rebecca R. Kline (AM)

    Teacher, Journalist

    Paul Landis (AM)

    Industrial engineering, Author of "A Real 9/11 Commission"

    Spero Larres (AM)

    Physics and Mathematics, Rutgers University

    Frank Legge (AM)

    Chemistry, Solar Track Pty Ltd., Logical Systems Consulting

    Greg Lemon (AM)

    Animation, Simulation, Special Effects

    Stevan Douglas Looney (AM)

    Attorney

    Greg Lopreato (AM)

    Senior Research Scientist

    Regan MacBannon-Mason (AM)

    Vocational rehabilitation counseling

    Wayne Madsen (AM)

    Investigative journalist and syndicated columnist, a former communications security analyst with NSA and a former intelligence officer in the USMC and a Senior Fellow of the Electronic Privacy Information Center

    Michael Maguire (AM)

    Mechanical engineering, Aeronatutical engineering, Prognostic Health Monitoring

    Gene Maier (AM)

    Corporate controller

    Aldwin Marquis (AM)

    9/11 Researcher/Activist

    David Masdon (AM)

    Electrical Engineering

    George Marinakis (AM)

    Patent attorney

    Brad Mayeux (AM)

    RF Engineering, 911review.org

    David McGowan (AM)

    Author and lecturer

    Scott Meredith (AM)

    Theoretical Linguistics, High technology 21 years

    Peter Meyer (AM)

    Computational physics, computer programmer, software developer, creator of the Serendipity web site (www.serendipity.li) and of the Hermetic Systems web site (www.hermetic.ch)

    Dennis "galen" Mitrzyk (AM)

    Physics and math, Business administration

    Aidan Monaghan (AM)

    Electronics engineering,
    www.explosive911analysis.com

    Robert Moore (AM)

    Attorney, Member, Connecticut Pro Bono Network

    Jeff Moskin (AM)

    Private pilot, Electronics engineer, Certified flight instructor

    Nicholas Newton (AM)

    Astrophysics, Simulation Models

    Ralph Omholt (AM)

    Technical writer

    Don Paul (AM)

    Author of "9/11:Facing Our Fascist State" (2002) and co-author with Jim Hoffman of "9/11: Great Crimes, a Greater Cover-up" (2003) and "Waking Up from Our Nightmare: The 9/11/01 Crimes in New York City" (2004)

    Tom Pinto (AM)

    Information systems analyst

    Joe Plummer (AM)

    http://StopTheLie.com

    Chris Poate (AM)

    Carpenter, Contractor, Cabinetmaker

    Michael Provost (AM)

    Independent film maker

    Carter W. Rae (AM)

    Biology, Chemistry, Dentistry

    Paul Robins (AM)

    Electronics, Aerospace products

    Gordon Ross (AM)

    Mechanical engineering, Production engineering

    Kevin Ryan (AM)

    Former Site Manager for Environmental Health Laboratories, a division of Underwriters Laboratories

    Nila Sagedevan (AM)

    Pilot, Aeronautical engineer

    E. Martin Schotz (AM)

    Psychiatrist, Citizen Historian

    Dave Short (AM)

    Volunteer fireman, Emergency medical technician

    Rick Siegel (AM)

    www.911eyewitness.com
    www.911eyewitness.com/truth

    Jimmy Smith (AM)

    Communications Engineering

    Leonard Spencer (AM)

    Twin Towers Attack, The Pentagon Attack, www.serendipity.li

    Deanna Spingola (AM)

    Author/Writer, Renew America, News with Views

    Glenn Stanish (AM)

    Airline Pilot, Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA), Allied Pilots Association (APA)

    Harry Stottle (AM)

    Philosopher, Author, Computer Consultant, Inventor. IT Director of the Codel Project. Specialist in authentication and related issues.

    Soren Stoutner (AM)

    Computer Consulting, System Administrator, Technology Specialist

    Coco Tralla (AM)

    Writer, Speaker, Publisher, Distributor

    Diane Verkler (AM)

    Art director, Former prosecutor, Background in law

    H. Chris Videll (AM)

    Accountant, Financial analyst

    Brad Waddell (AM)

    DVD producer, Question911.com

    Jack White (AM)

    Photoanalyst

    Edgar Williams (AM)

    Statistics, Computer Science, Database Management

    Larry Winfrey (AM)

    Network engineer

    Ian Woods (AM)

    Publisher and Editor of Global Outlook (the Magazine of 9/11 Truth); president of S.I.F.T. - Skeptics Inquiry For Truth (aka 911inquiry.org)

    Student Members

    Danielle Celeste (SM)

    Psychology, History and Politics, Propaganda and its dissemination

    Erik Champenois (SM)

    Student, BYU

    Evan C. Ekstrand (SM)

    History major, Kent State University

    Jake Gaeta (SM)

    Business, Political Science, College of the Redwoods

    Daniel D. German (SM)

    Student scholar, UNC

    Tamara Gianera (SM)

    Philosophy, General history, Social and economic history

    Nathan Handler (SM)

    Biology and physics, Coe College

    Zachary D. Haupin (SM)

    Compute science, Indiana Univesity of Pennsyvania

    Andrew M. Leblanc (SM)


    Atilio Medina (SM)

    Information technology, Brigham Young University

    Samantha Playford (SM)

    History, University of Reading

    Clarke Ries (SM)

    Journalism, University of Victoria

    Avn Sturm (SM)

    Business admin, Political science, International relations

    Jonathan Wilson (SM)

    Criminology, University of Winnipeg

    Trevor Ycas (SM)

    Natural resources, Geographic information systems, Front Range Community College


    you're having a laugh, right?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    you're having a laugh, right?
    your never fucking happy are you.
    you asked ...i supplied.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    And you think that list establishes the credentials of your "scholars" do you?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Blagsta wrote:
    And you think that list establishes the credentials of your "scholars" do you?
    right ...so your going to now tell me that compared with you these people are a bunch of halfwits right?
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