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Look! Watch out for the pigeon. It's gonna eat you!
Some people have to do it though as I've already said. If people don't do anyhting to help those in trouble they're going to help themselves. Homeless people, drug addicts, deperate people.
And you want to cut their hands off for stealing. Along with your comment about 'chavs' that shows a little narrowmindedness I think.
And if they don't, or don't show that they do in a way that you deem appropriate? fuck 'em? nice
You are right, I would never consider giving change to the homeless, purely because if they have a drug problem like your friend then I wouldn't want to fund his drug habit. However, I would consider and have given food and clothes to the homeless before.
And I still think that stealing is wrong.
Do you know what it's like being a drug user, nevermind a homeless one. Sometimes drugs is all they have.
I agree, all depressed people need to help themselves and don't need help because it'll all be in vain.
Either way, I would still want to see my money being used for things that will keep them alive, like food and warmth.
I don't feel guilty that I don't give money to the homeless. I help in other ways.
Fair enough but a quater bottle of a few spliffs might help him through a cold night. I understand where you're coming from though.
Well that's the problem. An addict will still find the money to pay for their 'habit' even if it means stealing, all thanks to our current drug laws - but that's a another debate.
Unfortunately a very popular view is that addicts are scum and don't deserve to be helped.
i once saw a man steal some bread from tesco. he put it up his jacket and off he went.
See I thinks that's sad. Somebody's obviously desperate enough to risk a criminal record for a loaf of bread.
I just want to point out that this is not a view that I have ever held and will probably never hold. Yes, there are probably some that are scum but there certainly many non-addicts that are also scum.
Secondly, yes, they may find ways, eg stealing, to fund their drug habit, but I personally would rather that I gave them clothes etc than give them those few quid that buys them this that and the next thing and then find out that he ODd that night. I wouldn't want that on my conscience so I would rather do it this way instead.
Either way, this is getting off topic.
Spliffie should never have stolen everything that he did. He obviously has it good to a point if he can afford Rizla, as well as the comfort to boast about it at 2.30AM.
I agree with this and your other point 1983. Spliffie isn't homeless, he's just coming across as a typical embarrassment to Glasgow (i.e. Ned) who thinks he's owed something.
That's the thing, you get neds EVERYWHERE. And he's one in Stirling.
Just because he can include a polysyllabic word doesn't excuse the fact he's a sponger.
It's only 'neds' and 'chavs' that steal is it 1983? What the fuck is a ned?
When did I say that?
I'm saying he's a ned because he has a stoner AV and he thinks the fact that he paid for his Rizlas justifies that he's a good guy. *sniff sniff* I smell shite.
He then went and had a bitch about Glaswegians and the neddish culture because of Jazza's Mam, etc. Not nice. PLUS, he has a MAJOR chip on his shoulder.
Quite the characteristics of a ned.
Well thank you for the comprehensive description of what a 'ned' is. :rolleyes:
Mmkay, and thank you for painting the difference of opinion a lighter shade of neon yellow.
Exactly. And I'm not really sure why people have been going on about homeless folk and "being forced to steal" in this thread either.
Spliffie has money to spare on internet access, and money to stick stuff into skins to smoke unless the intention is to glue them all together for fun, so, to be honest, is neither likely to be homeless or unable to eat, but rather just another useless thieving scab on society who thinks it's somehow "cool" or otherwise justifyable to nick stuff.
Because the thread moved into a discussion about stealiing in general.
When it got to the point where I was 34 weeks pregnant and felt faint and sick from lack of food my ex decided it was time to go on a shoplifting mission. We hadn't eaten for 2 days. We used to live off sacks of value spuds, pasta and 9p beans but we didn't even have enough for that. Literally had 2p between us, we were stealing toilet roll from the pub opposite the squat and the ex was nicking fag ends out the ashtrays to make roll ups from. There was really nothing else for it, we had nowhere to go or anyone we could borrow from. It was nothing to do with lack of self esteem or morals, just sheer desperation!!
I know it was wrong but there was honestly nothing else that could have been done - we had nothing to sell, no family that I could turn to at that point and nobody we knew had money they could lend or spare food to give us a meal. The things he stole weren't luxury, a bag of rice, a bag of pasta, some dried milk and some porridge oats but it kept us afloat until the financial stuff ironed itself out.
Deciding to spend your cash on pills isn't starving to death, now, is it?
No, I haven't been tempted. Dishonesty crimes stay on your record, and if you get nabbed for anything else the prosecution get them wanged straight in against you. It'd be quite hard for me to get a legal job with a dishonesty record. Shops that catch you will prosecute, and magistrates don't like shoplifters.
Shame you didn't get nabbed.
I'd love to hear someone say that's not justified.