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French riots
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What are people's thoughts on what's going on in France?
I don't really know that much about it. Although I find it interesting that nobody's said much about it on here, if it was happening in America how many posts would there be criticising Bush and his government?
I don't really know that much about it. Although I find it interesting that nobody's said much about it on here, if it was happening in America how many posts would there be criticising Bush and his government?
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lol I supose that saying is quite familiar.
Impoverished ethnic/religious ghettos are always going to potentially troublesome. All you need is something to spark it off, the same thing happened in England (Bradford, Oldham, Stoke...etc etc).
The underlying causes are a bit more complex, but mainly to do with alienation from the state. this is made worse by the French policy of all citizens being equal to the state - fine in theory, but in practice its meant that Muslims have been allowed to become more and more disaffected from the state with nobody doing anything about it. Any allegiances they have are extremely local, there is hatred of the police (and even more so of the riot police brought in from outside the area). On top of this the French government is running around like a chicken who's had an appointment with the gullotine, unsure of whether to break the riots by force, try and negotiate or to blame each other.
Lessons for us to learn I'm sure.
How could anybody hope for riots and violence?
Because it'll boost the BNP's support. Which i'm sure he'd be delighted with.
Which was in itself, an answer.
As for his wanting riots, pehraps he's too busy reading the French papers to read English ones. I'm sure Kermit will remind him of events in Bradford not so longs ago, and of course more recently he might like to look to Brum.
Of course, what he won't accept is the it is the misinformation printed by the scumbag BNP which just exacerbates/inflames the situation.
[Edited to remove reference to Slippy being BNP supporter]
Back to the toilet to have another one off the wrist over a photo of Dave Copeland, why don't you child?
Anyways back to the subject- the root of the problem is not the way those teenagers died or whether the police were responsible. The root is deep inequality and poverty. That is other European governments, including our own, are following events with preoccupation. Because sometimes it only takes a spark to start it off.
what will he post when the petrol bombs are in his street?
wouldn't be supprised if it contained more than a couple of terms that can get ya kicked off thesite.
I was "WP" a long time ago before I developed proper capacity for reason (although it's not something I regret...was useful in my political development) - so I can spot BNP talk a mile off.
Unlike Born Slippy, I at least had the balls to be up front about it.
true.
Exactly, I urge in the strongest possible terms that everyone goes out and watches La Haine, it will put rioting in France and in certain areas of Britain into a much better focus.
Their situation is like our's but more pronounced, council estates which are isolated, poorly policed and generally left to their own without help.
If we dont make much better moves to improve the housing and oportunities for people in the UK this will happen on this scale here too.
the riots reached the ghetto bit of a city an hour from paris last night... where i lived last year.
was a right shit hole i tell ya. the uni was there and i used to get followed and harrassed by the lads every day. when i told a french woman in the hairdressers where i lived she said 'oh how sad' - because the rest of the city was beautiful and wealthy.
Unemployment in these areas runs at almost 40%.
They must be lifted out of poverty through enterprise and work.
You could do better though than listen to far-right Russian politicians about this. Vladimir Zhirinovsky says he has hundreds of volunteers waiting to put a stop to the riots, many with special forces training. Just one problem - most are actually football rioters. Click here.
Takes a racist to make a potentially racist situation worse, I suppose.
The rioters are from a migrant background. These people have come to Europe to find a better life and I have nothing against this but if they are not satisfied with the life they have in Europe then they can choose to go back to their own countries. The reality is that many of them are from second or third generation migrant backgrounds and their families found work in Europe in low paid unskilled jobs. Do you honestly think that the following generations are going to jump strait into high paid managerial creme de la creme positions of French society?! Its not discrimination, but the reality of the situation these people are brought up into. Look at the UK for example. How many people from white council estates accutually end up in well paid jobs? This isnt racist discrimination but the reality of the situation.
Opportunites exist for everyone but not everyone will take them. Perhaps if you took a look at the percentage of ethnic minorities working in well paid jobs in the health service you would see a very different picture.
Secondly, The French system offers some of the best welfare benefits in Europe or the world for that matter. Everyone who has the slightest bit of education realises that France is in the shitter with regard to their economy because they are so left wing and business are avoiding investing in the country to create jobs. If these people will happily take a big cut in their welfare benefits then perhaps a few more jobs could be created for them to work.
Thirdly, we live in a democratic society and this is not how you behave in a civilised world. Voilence should achieve nothing. They are destroying their own areas, their own opportunities and they are creating tension within the French society who are Im sure becomming fare less tolerant of these people. When Le Pen or whoever is France's right wing radical get voted in on the back of these riots I for one will not be surprised.
Fourth, Ask yourself where are all the lower class French people with regard to these riots? They are living in exactly the same situation!
Lastly, Perhaps the most recent comparision with the UK I can make is with Northern Ireland and the recient loyalists riots. These people in exactly the same way were Claiming poverty, discrimination and lack of opportunity when in reality to be poor in Europe these days is not to have the latest playstation. They recked their own areas and it did them no good and Im glad the police took no shit from them.
I was asking you.
:rolleyes:
Listen to what the French have said themselves...