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George Galloway

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I never said they weren't, however, I'm not going to take their sources as gospel, especially if they're using that number on purpose to do the usual Holocaust comparisons.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    You seemed to suggest that they used a figure plucked from the air to make the pro-choicers look like Nazis, or whatever.

    Regardless of the crude numbers, abortions are increasing and whether you view that as taking a life or just a simple lifestyle decision, you have got to be concerned about the number of potentially preventable medical procedures being carried out each year.

    I think it's quite difficult to be pro-choice but also to suggest that there are too many abortions being carried out each year, but that is the position I expect most abortionists would take.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    You seemed to suggest that they used a figure plucked from the air to make the pro-choicers look like Nazis, or whatever.

    No, I said most pro-life groups because there were not any other sources to hand, pro-choice or otherwise. The UK Life League also has an endearing little section on 'Nazis and abortion.' And it was Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O'Connor who specifically stated,
    That way lies eugenics, and we know from German history where that leads.
    you have got to be concerned about the number of potentially preventable medical procedures being carried out each year

    Yep. Which is why I'm going back to teach sex ed in schools this year. SPUC etc on the other hand, are concerned about 'abortofacient' contraception, and say that the use of contraception may result in an 'anti-child' mentality etc.
    I think it's quite difficult to be pro-choice but also to suggest that there are too many abortions being carried out each year

    I've spoken to most of our 'abortionists'/surgeons, and I'm well aware that they are concerned too, and have their own personal thoughts regarding the legal limit. Personally, I agree with them. Politically, that's a different story, and not for this debate.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    go_away wrote:
    No, I said most pro-life groups because there were not any other sources to hand, pro-choice or otherwise.
    Extremists aside, the implication in your post was that the figure was exaggerated.

    As for George Galloway, he's an extremist of the highest order and probably holds most of his views for publicity reasons as far as I can tell. Not someone I'd vote for. The only occasion on which I sided with him was when Jeremy Paxman asked him repeatedly if he was proud to have defeated a black Labour candidate, which I felt was totally irrelevant.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    the implication in your post was that the figure was exaggerated.

    That's your own conclusion. It wasn't my implication, I'm quite aware of the rough yearly abortion figures. As I have already said, there were no other sources other than pro-life groups. I shall remember to be more specific next time this arises.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    go_away wrote:
    next time this arises.
    Is this place that predictable?

    The DoH and ONS have recent numbers - something like 180,000 last year but of course it has increased since the early days. Not that there are any pre-1967 numbers to compare though.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Is this place that predictable?

    Not really, but the abortion debate cycle can be pretty frequent depending on the mood of posters. I'd care, but I'm too busy asking myself why forearm muscles have to have so many Latin names :crying:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Are you stuck or just revising?

    ps Why wasn't Bodies on tonight?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I don't know, I had forgotten it was on.

    A bit stuck, trying to work out a good way of getting the group of extensors [posterior compartment] under my belt without muddling them up. The anterior compartment isn't *too* bad.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Yikes. I'm glad those days are behind me. What book do you use: Moores, Snell, Tortora? And why are you doing work on a Saturday night??
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    At the moment, Moore and the Anatomy Atlast by Gosling et al. But mainly we have to use Dean and Peggington because it's specific to UCL, and all the examination questions on the MEQ use their diagrams. Fun fun fun.

    Working on a Saturday night as I have a shitload of pharmacology to do and will never get it done by Monday when I have a whole day in the dissection room. Tell me clinicals are fun and easy like chasing ducks and playing in the snow.

    To stay on topic [insert something about George Galloway]
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    You'll love clinical medicine. You're just jumping through the hoops to get there. You won't remember those muscles in a couple of years time. I remember that Dr Evil uses Extensor digiti minimi a lot...other than that it's all gone. Make sure you know the nerves though and the dermatomes.

    George Galloway would be all at sea in an OSCE. :yes:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    so george does medicne as well!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    decided i would go to his talk. its in 47 minutes. what can i ask him?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Ask him how he sleeps at night having been a collaborator in Saddam Hussains regime.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Ask him how he sleeps at night having been a collaborator in Saddam Hussains regime.

    Probably the same way GWB, Rumsfeld, Thatcher, Blair et al do.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Too late Mat was gone already ;)

    You guys will hate me for this but he came accross as quite a sound bloke. We were kicked out the room at 2 but he then proceeded to do a Q & A session outside on the grass for an hour. It was very interesting.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I don't hate you renzo and I certianly am not the least bit surprised at your reaction.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The Matadore wrote:
    Ask him how he sleeps at night having been a collaborator in Saddam Hussains regime.

    rumsfeld_saddam.jpg
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    Teh_GerbilTeh_Gerbil Posts: 13,332 Born on Earth, Raised by The Mix
    klintock wrote:
    Probably the same way GWB, Rumsfeld, Thatcher, Blair et al do.
    :yes: Let's not forget who PUT Saddam in power in the first place.

    Of course he seems like a nice bloke. According to his Guards, Saddam seems liek a nice bloke in person.

    It's a Politicians job to do that.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    LOL. Apparantly Respect is now the biggest political society on campus now. with 170 members...considering Exeter has a repuatation for private school Conservative people i find this quite amusing.

    Also can you explain why that is Clandestine? Im just interested thats all.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Why what is?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Clandestine wrote:
    I don't hate you renzo and I certianly am not the least bit surprised at your reaction.

    Why that.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Renzo wrote:
    LOL. Apparantly Respect is now the biggest political society on campus now. with 170 members...considering Exeter has a repuatation for private school Conservative people i find this quite amusing.

    I don't.

    The only thing more tiring than private school Tories is poor little rich kids who try to pretend they're down wid da hood and da homies by pretending to be socialists for a few years.

    It's odd how they all grow out of it when they realise what 50% tax really means.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Ah, well in the first place I have no reason to hate you and certainly not for your sincere evaluation of a talk I did not attend.

    Secondly, I'm not surprised at your reaction since from what I HAVE seen of Galloway, both in his dressing down of a hypocritical Senate Subcommittee and in subsequent BBC appearances, I considered his comments to be refreshingly critical of the current direction of UK/US/Globalist policies.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It's odd how they all grow out of it when they realise what 50% tax really means.

    Yeah, a visit to Richenda's or Tarquin's accountant and fiddled books.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Here is a link about my meeting with Galloway.

    Conservative Mind
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Oh dear.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    "Home Truths" from one who espouses allegiance to an ideology rooted in the belief that it is necessary and proper to lie to the masses to further its political agenda.

    Nothing remotely conservative about neo-Conservatism. Best you go examine the teachings of Strauss a bit more carefully before claiming any ethical or moral superiority in your rather self congratulatory blogs.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Clandestine wrote:
    "Home Truths" from one who espouses allegiance to an ideology rooted in the belief that it is necessary and proper to lie to the masses to further its political agenda.

    Nothing remotely conservative about neo-Conservatism. Best you go examine the teachings of Strauss a bit more carefully before claiming any ethical or moral superiority in your rather self congratulatory blogs.

    As the French would say, a "big lie"!
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