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See, I have worked in a place where drug testing was a regular thing, and the only people who ever given the heave ho where those who were on the wrong side of management in some way.
The blue eyed boys and suck ups all got excused on various grounds, one guy even got sent off to "rehab" to get over his "canabis addiction". Fair play to him for swinging 4 weeks off work but in the same bout of testing another guy was sacked on the spot for the same offence.
I can see very easily a struggling pupil being told to fuck off but one with decent grades and a parent on the PTA given kid glove treatment.
Basically it's wide open to abuse because their is no set outcome if a positive result does come in. On that basis alone it shouldn't be done, never mind the slippery slope of intrusion.
But since, I'm sure, the tests won't difference between someone who smoked a spliff or snorted a few lines the previous night and someone who just took them during school hours and is actually 'high' on the premises, such tests must be opposed by all means necessary.
It is nobody's business if anyone- be a school pupil or a worker- chooses to take drugs, drink alcohol or nail their knob to a tree for that matter, so long as it is done in their free time and not in school/place of work and that their performance is not affected.
I disagree.
Schhols are not the same as a place of work, they are fundamental to a childs upbringing and have a duty of care to the children there that includes trying to stop them getting into drugs.........
Balls. Big hairy ones too. "fundamental" my ringpiece.
It's a half babysitting, half prisony mess designed to churn out factory workers in the 18th/19th century, a producer of robots and the obedient. Testing the drones is just one more way of taking responsibility from the child and into nanny state.
Except this wont do that, it might stop some smoking cannabis which isnt that harmful anyway. It will not stop them seeking other forms of intoxication and it will do nothing for the reasons why they are choosing to use drugs/alcohol.
If they genuinely have a problem you can take that drug away and they will just use another one.
It would only serve as a deterrant if action was taken against drug users - something which would be utterly counter-productive.
I don't believe that it would even be much of a deterrant. The law is supposedly there to deter people from using drugs but they still do.
If the results of drug tests led to suspension etc it would probably serve as a deterrant. Although using other people's piss is a good way around it.
But what about the kids who dont care if they get kicked out of school, is suspending them a good idea? Children out of school with nothing to do wandering the streets is going to help with their drug 'problem'?
Exactly, so you have kids with no hope of getting decent grades at school with lots of time on their hands to use drugs and get into trouble. What an excellent solution to this rampant drug use problem we have.
Schools are not parents. They have a responsibility to protect children from other children whilst at school- something they fail with flying colours- and a responsibility to educate them.
They have a responsibility to educate children about drugs, but not anything more than that.
What a child does out of school time is of no concern or relevance to the school.
But even assuming that schools have a "duty to protect kids from drugs", could you please explain to me what a random drug test will achieve?
If they expel drug takers, what will it achieve?
If they put treatment programmes on drug takers, what will it achieve? When even the Crown Court can't get a person to complete a Drug Treatment and Testing Order- with the threat of custody- what chance does a school have?
All this will do is ostracise and damage relations between teacher- that's teacher, not "moral guardian"- and pupil. And that's before we consider the ethics of a school telling a pupil what it can and cannot do outside of school time.
Read what I said eh :thumb:
I would refuse a drug test on the grounds that we all should be allowed personal rights. If a kid is coming to school lookin doped out of his head every day and it looks as if it's reflecting on his work/others etc or they have been seen doing drugs/dealing etc then you can see why they may want to give them a drug test. But totally random testing is out of order especially when you get some who do use drugs outside of school but still do really well academically and nobody is none the wiser about their use. Not to mention the fact that really it should have fuck all to do with school what kids do with their spare time anyway.
Anyone agree?
Only the ignorant wouldn't.
Your arguments are getting more and more non-sensicle
If a policeman pulls you over he has right reason to suspect you did something wrong. Assuming a child is on drugs because 3% of children are on drugs is totally different to suspecting that guy hasn't got a tax disc mate.
Do you think it's acceptable for a gaver to tug without a good reason?
I don't, but then I wouldn't try to 'get away' because that is an offence in itself.
That's an offence in itself, so no I wouldn't do that.
Well seeing as the thread is partly about whether it should be an offecne in the case of drug testing in schools then that is a rather redundant comment.
The point I was making is that saying
'I won't do it because I am not guilty" Is bullshit
Glad I didn't go there.........
It was a poor analogy.
Again, would you find it acceptable if a gaver pulled you over and searched you for without any evidence that you'd done anything wrong?
and not to mention that if you're on drugs and driving there is an immediate threat to everyone else on the road because of you. Where as in school you might have gotten stoned 3 day's earlier.
How about we drug test you every day then, make you pee in a cup while we watch every day, maybe check on what your eating to make sure its healthy and that you havent been binge drinking, that your vitamin count is right...
Yes it was, here is a better one.........
Do you object to security checks at airports?
I didn't realise that going to the airport was ordered by law for children.
Still a crap analogy. You can choose to go or not go to the airport. Kids get no choice about going to school.