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would you refuse a drug test at school
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/kent/4197090.stm
i rate the student who just refused and saved them the time and then after said he wouldnt stop either - :thumb:
pointless really since drug use isnt actually that high probably 1 or 3% of students at most, so i dont see the point of doing them, when better education is the key, especially about solvents which i assume they wont test for
i rate the student who just refused and saved them the time and then after said he wouldnt stop either - :thumb:
pointless really since drug use isnt actually that high probably 1 or 3% of students at most, so i dont see the point of doing them, when better education is the key, especially about solvents which i assume they wont test for
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Drug tests are unethical, unreliable and totally counter productive. The kids with problematic drug use just wont come to school, which makes the situation worse, and others will just change to alcohol, which can not be tested for effectively.
You will also note that the only school doing this is being funded to do so by a tabloid newspaper who obviously only has the kids interests at heart.
That's probably the one the News of The World is sponsoring to do it because they care deeply about kids health.
This sums up the objections rather well;
http://www.tdpf.org.uk/MediaNews_PressReleases_05.01.05.htm
That aside, what do they achieve by this? Considering that two "positives" have been identified, and both pupils remained at the school, I can't see what they have achieved...
The theory is that by testing they reduce the amount of kids using illegal drugs, and therefore maybe get better grades?
There is not a policy of a possitive test meaning the student is kicked out, you are just called in to discuss it.
As long as they weren't rude towards the teachers due to their newly found confidence boost then being coked up at school seems much better than being high on cannabis, and most likely falling asleep or being completely unmotivated.
too my knowledge the school cant punish you for things you do out of school time other than if you hurt attack people from your school, no wait they do nothing then
if youre doing as youre expected in school then the school has no right to check, bet they dont check for silly amounts of caffeine during exam time or solvents
I wonder what the "appropriate" action was. Unless it was a substance abuse course I don't think there will have been a benefit to it, and even then for many drugs the benefit would be marginal.
The main benefit people argue is that it gives kids a handy excuse to say "no" in the face of peer pressure. But that is a ludicrous argument for so many reasons.
Still, the low number of positives proves one thing- all this guff about all kids being coked up to their tits is a load of tabloid lies and half-truths.
That depends on what you do, AFAIK.
I don't think drug use affects you much in school, hell for my whole A/S year I was stoned everyday in school itself never mind outside it and I still ended up alright.
Unless you are in school uniform, then they can act becuase you are still "representing" them.
Especially if you know the area. It's know for it's "trouble makers"...
My signature is based on a police notice which I saw on the local Health Centre...
They come out with the "nothing to hide, nothing to fear" crap. I asked "do you think I am on drugs?" they said "no" I said "no need to change the contract then, goodbye"
Not all that easy if you are in a job, refusal brands you as a drug taker.
I wouldn't want my kid taking drugs and if there was an extra threat to them that made them less likely to do it then fair enough........
And the invasion of liberty doesnt bother you, someone making your son pee in a cup?
The fact that this will further alienate kids from authority?
The fact that it will do nothing for alcohol and the drug which kills by far the most kids, solvents?
The fact that drug tests arent actually 100% accurate so there is the chance a kid will get a false possitive branding him/her a drug taker?
'Further alienate kids from authority' not sure what you mean, kids will respect teachers less are you saying? why?
Saying we shouldn't do something because it doesn't cover other things is just bollocks. Is there no point building flodd defences because they won't stop a hurricane?
Any proof on the risk of false-positives?
Surely it's a trust issue. Why should I respect/trust a teacher if he doesn't respect/trust me.
Respect is something you earn. You don't automatically have respect just because you are a teacher. Education is the key, not testing.
If it is, then under 16's can't decide and over 16's can say no.
It is all well and good going on about education but frankly I don't think that will reduce the use of drugs very much, especially when attitudes are increasingly liberla amongst the young, just look at this site.........