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Teenage Depression

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Wyetry wrote:
    I really would like you to ellaborate because I fail to see what more there is to worry about then when my mother was a teenager in the 60's.
    well personally it think over the past few years we have become a world obsessed with image - like images of beautiful thin models everywhere. I know girls my age who weigh 7 stone who go without eating at school all day. I was talking to my mum yesterday and she even says herself that we do too many exams/coursework etc. Just a few examples
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    ^^ kermit can word things better :)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I'm really curious how self-harming even enters a persons mind as an option of dealing with depression? It's seems like such a far removed solution that i can't get to grips with the inital thought process that must go on.

    I'm not quite sure where it came from, really. The anger directed towards myself, and the desire to hurt myself, was very strong. It started off by dgging fingernails, or by scratching myself with compasses, and it steadily progressed into literally carving myself open with blunt scissors and razor blades.

    How and where do you draw the distinction between a bad day, week, month etc and depression.

    The persistence of it. The hopelessness of it.

    It's really hard to explain to someone who isn't depressed, and hasn't been. Every day is literally black, nothing to look forward to, no enjoyment in life. I was always on the verge of tears. I don't think that is the case with those who are merely dysphoric.
    Would it also be fair to say that the individuals confidence plays its part in the persons ability to cope?

    Definitely. Those who are confident and extroverted and chirpy are less likely to get depressed because they don't see the bad in things so much. They can look on the bright side of life, they can socialise with success, and both of those things are intrinsic to not being depressed.

    Persistent bullying will destroy most people's confidence, so there is no fault in this. But bullies don't pick on strong, popular and confident people. Bullying causes depression and self-hatred in many people. Those people are already a bit more vulnerable, which is why they are bullied. It's easy to see how quickly life is just filled with despair. It's really hard to explain wanting to go to sleep and never wake up, and mean it genuinely.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    kermit, once again you took the words right out of my mouth :) especially about the bullying
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Hum but there are now more university places avaliable than ever before - even if you dont' get straight A grades you will get into uni - my parents had to work thier socks off to get thier places at univeristy.

    I don't belive that there is now any more pressure on teenagers to be thin and pretty than there was 10 or 15 years ago - it was just the same if anything these days there are more scares about how dangerously thin some celebreties are.

    Hum i did exams at 11, at 14 at 16 and at 18 - so not wildly much more to do plus doing A-levels in modules surely means you dont' have to learn 2 years worth of work in just one go - surely that makes it slighlty easier - certainly potential employers (ie the CBI and the companies they represent) seem to think that they don't really show a persons true abilities.

    Children are still being bullied at school or so i'm told i dont' think thats wildly different to even 100 years ago. But you know at least you have a place in a school to go to and the opportunity to get some education.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    the reason there are more uni places is because more young people want to go, it's almost expected. Like kermit said, you can't leave school at 15/16 without qualifications and still succeed (like my dad). You need qualifications to get the decent jobs now.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Kermit wrote:
    I'm not quite sure where it came from, really. The anger directed towards myself, and the desire to hurt myself, was very strong. It started off by dgging fingernails, or by scratching myself with compasses, and it steadily progressed into literally carving myself open with blunt scissors and razor blades.

    Do you think the anger comes from your own percieved inability to deal with the depression or to change your state of mind?
    The persistence of it. The hopelessness of it.

    It's really hard to explain to someone who isn't depressed, and hasn't been. Every day is literally black, nothing to look forward to, no enjoyment in life. I was always on the verge of tears. I don't think that is the case with those who are merely dysphoric.

    The way i'm trying to empathise with it is when i have a few days or weeks where i do feel low and have no idea why. There usually is a reason for it but i'm sometimes not sure what it is and have a feeling of helplessness. It being hard to explain to someone why you feel down when you're not sure yourself.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    cptcoathanger seems to find this fasinating :p
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Ballerina wrote:
    cptcoathanger seems to find this fasinating :p

    I do, genuinely.

    It's not something that i've personally experienced either directly or indirectly and i'm trying to get my head round it. I work very much on the idea that a problem shared is a problem halved and that bottling up anything is only ever destructive.

    I've been browsing through the "Health" forum and it sounds like there are quite a few young people that are in a similar situation to Ballerina. When i hear people talking like that i want to put my arm round them and tell them that it's not just their problem anymore. I don't know how to explain it really.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I do, genuinely.

    It's not something that i've personally experienced either directly or indirectly and i'm trying to get my head round it. I work very much on the idea that a problem shared is a problem halved and that bottling up anything is only ever destructive.

    I've been browsing through the "Health" forum and it sounds like there are quite a few young people that are in a similar situation to Ballerina. When i hear people talking like that i want to put my arm round them and tell them that it's not just their problem anymore. I don't know how to explain it really.
    aaw you sweetie :) you should be a councellor, a hug is just what i needed most of the time i was in that mess :(
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Bullying and the desire to "fit in" and be attractive have always been there. Definitely.

    The line between success and failure is finer. The divide is wider. If you don't like academia you are thrown on the scrapheap.

    There is more pressure in schools, even from when I was there five years ago. There is no breather at all, what with SATS and modular A'Levels. You can't switch off for a bit. Children are being driven to burn-out.

    I'm not belittling the experiences of others. Life now is a lot easier than 60 years ago- there are no bombs and you don't have to go down the mines to put food on the table. The pressure is harder in a lot of ways now, but that doesn't mean the pressure is a new thing.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    since my SATs in year 9 it's been non-stop, after that we went straight into gcse stuff while we were still in the same year, i've had non-stop coursework this year, and double in english because my teacher decided to do 2 years worth of coursework in our 1st year
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Kermit wrote:
    The line between success and failure is finer. The divide is wider. If you don't like academia you are thrown on the scrapheap.

    That was so for a while, but actually I think it is changing, you can make a better wage doing something manual these days than most graduates.

    And the divide in the 50's and 60's was huge, either you wore a suit and worked in an office or you were a lacky, a menial worker under horrid conditions.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Do you think the anger comes from your own percieved inability to deal with the depression or to change your state of mind?

    Kind of, and kind of not.

    It came from my inability to deal with social situations, my inability to have any sort of life, and my feeling of utter helplessness. Everyone bullying me and isolating me made me feel worthless, and I basically just felt rage at myself for being such a pathetic lump. Being depressed made all the bottled-up feelings of worthlessness and helplessness stronger, but they were there anyway.

    It's quite often hard to tell the difference between depression and dysphoria. If it's only a few days every so often then that is just dysphoria, a natural part of life. Depression is persistent and debilitating.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    when i was 9/10 i was picked on and bullied by a girl who was supposed to be my best friend when a new girl arrived. She was a bully aswell so they decided to be friends and turn on me. Of course, no one helped me out because they were all scared of them. I didn't have any friends at all, they made me feel so worthless, like a peice of dirt. It was because i was smart, but i was really quiet and shy, so of course an easy target. Then what they say to you sinks in, such as after a day of sitting in a classroom with every person whispering behind their hands and pointing at me - then having them all erupt with laughter when i showed i was upset - it makes you believe that you really are worthless, and for me personally it was these little voices inside you're head going ''no body cares, no one loves you, you're a worthless peice of dirt, you should be dead'' etc....i hate to say it but teachers turned a blind eye, it was going off right under their noses and they didn't care. My old headmaster even made comments at me.
    Sorry bit of a rant there, but that's the sort of stuff i went through - there was alot more aswell. I know some people have had it alot worse, but it doesnt make it any easier. I became suicidal at 9 years old because of bullying.....sad isn't it?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Which is another kind of pressure as well - the pressure to make sure that you're putting yourself into so much debt for a good reason, that it will be worth it in the long run.

    People always say this but most people I know who went to uni didn't do it to 'better themselves' or to improve their job prospects, they just did it because it was expected and because its an easy way to avoid real work.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Ballerina wrote:
    aaw you sweetie :) you should be a councellor, a hug is just what i needed most of the time i was in that mess :(

    I like to think hugs, tea and a sympathetic ear would solve most of the worlds problems. :)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I like to think hugs, tea and a sympathetic ear would solve most of the worlds problems. :)
    that's just what i needed!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    That's fair enough, but did you put yourself in over £15,000 worth of debt to do that?

    Not quite, but dam close and so did all the people I know, I dont think anyone takes Student Loans seriously at all, they're funny money, not real at all.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    That's fair enough, but did you put yourself in over £15,000 worth of debt to do that?

    I'll be in a similar amount of debt when i leave university. I went to university equally for escapism and an education.
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    Ballerina wrote:
    that's just what i needed!

    Did you say you're taking medication for the panic attacks at the moment? Is this helping the depression any?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Did you say you're taking medication for the panic attacks at the moment? Is this helping the depression any?
    yes it did, the anxiety and panic attacks were making me depressed, but it's helped i've had a break from school this summer. Hopefully i'll be refreshed and ready for 1 more school year in september
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    has anyone else had something similar to the 'little voices'?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Ballerina wrote:
    My old headmaster even made comments at me.

    That happens a lot of the time with the teaching profession.

    If you become quiet and introverted because of the bullying the teachers just think its your fault, you should go and play with the other children and stop thinking that you're better than everyone else.

    Teachers are worse than useless when it comes to bullying. Schools deny that it happens, "We don't have any bullying here", and ignore the pupils who are being bullied at their school.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    the fact is though, it is our problem, and we are hardly ever given enough support. If we were all schizophrenic then people would care but then want to lock us up. because we are likely to either kill ourselves or fade into a life of alcohol and or drug abuse, no one cares. Counciling is exspencive and time consuming, prozac just generates a nation of numb, incoherents. It's a quick fix for the medical profession. Ok, personally i haven't used it, and for some it does work, i'm not denying that fact, but for so many people my age i've seen on prozac, they seem like they are permenently zombiefied.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I think the NHS is crap. I know from personal experience. After going to A + E for an overdose i was given some councilling and then suggested that i see my doctor to possibly go on an anti - depressant. However, they failed to ever send a note to my doctor explaining what had happened. I dont think it is taken that seriously as it seems so common now. Anyway he said he reckoned its best not to go on it and im glad i havnt hearing about the effects they have on people! I went to a councillor and they simply made me feel worse! I think my friends have helped me more than anything. I agree that a lot of it stems from school. You spend so much time there that the bad memories continue to scar you. When i was at school one of my good friends used to cut herself, i should think through lack of self - esteem and bullying. Teachers are definately some of the worst offenders! Oh yeah, especially sports teachers! Teachers got to me a lot at school, but by the time i reached upper 6th form i learnt to put them in their place and throw back comments at them. It made them respect me more in the end and leave me alone. School is a tough place with all the different cliques, but i have to say you do learn a lot about people there and how to deal with them. Everyone is anorexic, suicidal and depressed it seems. Im sure there will soon be one of those reality tv shows for depressed people, if there already hasnt been.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Kermit wrote:
    That happens a lot of the time with the teaching profession.

    If you become quiet and introverted because of the bullying the teachers just think its your fault, you should go and play with the other children and stop thinking that you're better than everyone else.

    Teachers are worse than useless when it comes to bullying. Schools deny that it happens, "We don't have any bullying here", and ignore the pupils who are being bullied at their school.
    well i always was a bit of an odd-ball, always in my own world. I remember once, school photos were being given out when i was about 8, and the person on the table behind me shoved their chair back so i couldn't get out when i had to go up and get my photos (the headteacher was covering that lesson aswell) so i was trying to get out of my seat, and he could see full well someone was shoving their chair back into me. And he just looked at me and went ''you are dippy sometimes rachael'' in a really cold voice as if it was MY fault! And everyone was smirking at me. It felt so horrible.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I have got nothing but wonderful things to say about the NHS, my GP was excellent and I have had three and a half years of excellent intensive psychotherapy. When I was referred to the psychiatric unit in Newcastle they didn't have room, but the consultant there rang around the whole of the North east and got me in somewhere. And quickly too.

    Not everyone does get good service, because resources are finite, but people who need the services get it. I was bumped right up the queue because I was considered to be at serious risk, and others will be delayed because of that, but I needed it more so I got it first. I was incredibly lucky, yes, but I got treated promptly because I needed to be.

    I owe my life to fluoxetine, and will never slag off ADs. ADs don't agree with everyone, they are hit-and-miss, it can take a long time to get the AD that works for the person. People give up after a bit.

    Most people need ADs and a bit of counselling, so they get put on ADs. Those who are serious get the treatment, I think.
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