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The Express Shows How Nice it is again....
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Apparantly the Human Rights Act should be scrapped to prevent us from terrorists. :rolleyes:
What morons buy this shit?
(Jim V please put the picture in, i don't know what i do wrong)
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Sums up the Daily Express quite nicely.
So much for innocent until PROVEN guilty.
Smoke and mirrors bb.
The parentals buy the Express (habit I think) and I was having this argument with them, and I won because I had facts and the Sexpress doesn't. yay.
Yeah, didnt you know, she was a right slapper.
I was just trying not to judge it before I'd heard the case, something you apparently havent done. I havent decided whether these men have anything to do with it.
I agree there hasn't been enough evidence presented publicly, but that really wouldn't affect your opinion much anyway would it, you'd quickly dismiss it. Because you already know who did this don't you?
Tell me, what would it take for you to believe that 'Islamic' terrorists were behind the Lodon and attempted London bombings?
Hey - it might stop some of the repeat offenders...?
Three times and you lose a hand.
Seems to offer a pretty good deterent to me!
Maybe a finger or two...
G.
That's a bit of a leap - scrapping the Human Rights Act doesn't mean that you want to introduce torture or hand chopping into the British system. It was illegal within the UK to torture supsects before we incorporated the Human Rights Act, scrapping it wouldn't change UK law in that regard.
And no skive, I can merely advance my suspicions of the far more likely culprits in the absence of any legitimate investigation. Newspaper article references to "officials said..." or "investigators informed us..." may suffice for you, but more critical minds demand slightly more verifiable proof, especially from those exposed as repeated liars and whitewashers.
The Human Rights Act has many parts to it one is freedom from torture.
I assume you are suggesting that this is tied in with all the other terrorist attacks, something I find odd really given the scant details so far.
I guess what Skive and I are saying is that neither Skive, or I or you know really anything about these most recent attacks. It could have been anyone, so jumping to suspect either 'al queda' or the security services is premature.
Yes, but thats not our only protection, we were protected before that came in.
But what evidence have you that anybody else is more 'likely'?
It's just seems to me that you are also too quick to jump to conclusions, your assumption that these events are most 'likely' the work of the government is no better than somebody else asuming that Islamic terrorists are to blame.
I know. But if the HRA was removed that does not mean that the existing law on torture within the UK goes with it. You are making a leap by saying that by getting rid of the HRA that people want permission to torture - when there is no evidence that they do.
in all fairness thats more widespread and likely than islamic terroists
That HM Govt is blowing up British tube-trains? I personally find it pretty unlikely and with no real evidence.
So, we do exactally what the terrorists want to prevent them? I don't see how this works. If we react with paranoia, the terrorists have practically won their battle, by proving they can get at us.
Why is it unlikely that the "HM govt" would blow up trains? Weird.
Oh, and protection from torture from who, exactly?
did i say that, no, im just saying the government might not be as down about these things as the populus are
and that, HM government have far more power than these terroists will ever have, and thus need to be watched far more carefully as they can 'legitimately' remove all my rights as a person to a fair trial etc etc
OOhhh good point. Of course they don't care. It's a nice excuse from the PTB to push everybody else about a bit in the name of "protecting them" though, isn't it. :yes:
You said it was more likely and widespread - the only inference I could draw is that you thought it was more likely and widespread that HM Govt blows up tubes
I agree - but that's a different argument. And the fact that the government has to be held to account doesn't mean that we shouldn't take steps to arrest (if possible) or if unavoidable kill, terrorists.
What is?