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Christ, you're a knob. Its more likely to be a poll of who Radio 4 listeners think has had the most influence. Its not meant to be a poll of philosophers, its meant to be a poll of the Radio 4 audience. Now quite why you think that the Radio 4 audience is so dumb as to only vote for people they've heard of, christ only knows. I've heard of all the philosophers in the top ten there and I'm not that well educated.
What is the matter with you? I'd bet most people (especially a Radio 4 audience) would have heard of all those in the top ten.
You are a complete dick.
I didn't say the Radio 4 audience are stupid, just that that poll is more a reflection of who they've heard of and not a true representation of their opinions about who has contributed the most/been the most influential/is the greatest philosopher of all time.
Doubt it.
I doubt even more that many of them have any more than a superficial knowledge of even half of those ten philosopher's theories.
And on what evidence do you base that opinion?
As I said - I've heard of all of them and my formal education isn't that great.
The fact that Marx would not be considered the greatest philosopher of all time by most people who know a bit about philosophers.
Well Q.E.D. then! :yeees: Or maybe you are just very clever.
A lot is different from most and I suspect most economists and historians don't agree with his analysis.
But at the end of the day its unproovable without questioning every historian and economist (and then we get into arguments over who qualifies).
No these were just the top 10 finalists.
No, not really. More than you are basing yours on, which seems to be no more than you are left-wing and think it validates your views because people voted for who you see as the champion of your cause.
Whereas you seem to be basing your opinion on your dislike of the left, rather like the fit that the Daily Mail had.
Have a read of that Francis Wheen article I linked to.
At the risk off appearing stupid the only link I can see on this thread is the BBC Radio 4 one. Could you repost, thanks.
http://vbulletin.thesite.org.uk/showpost.php?p=1394624&postcount=4
I think you will find that it is only European culture philosophers who are ever considered in these things.
Eastern philosophy etc isn't considered because it is essentially something completely differenbt i.e. mysticism and wothavyou
Thanks (OK I'm officially stupid).
I'm not sure it invalidates my point though, some anecdotal evidence that some financiers, economists and journalists accept Marx's theories doesn't mean that the majority of people do.
Other economists, financiers and journalists don't accept his theory.
And Frances Wheen is surely a man who want to say that Marx is the greatest philiosopher given that he wrote an autobiography on him and was also his supporter for the Radio 4 programme.
I suspect another reason why Marx did well is that he still has active adherents - I'm not sure that's there's many people nowdays who claim to be active supporters of Hume or Plato.
So, give me a critique of Marx then.
Whats that got to do with it? I'm not arguing whether he's right or wrong. I'm arguing that there are plenty of people who do not accept the analysis of Marx.
Fine so we agree that some people agree with Marx and others don't. Now all we disagree on is this relative numbers and I can't proove anything either way - though I have my views. Can you?
Marx?! You're having a laugh intcha?
Is an analysis of the workings of capitalism, strictly speaking, philosophy anyway? Seems more like sociology/economics/political science or somesuch. Marx wouldn't even be on my list of 10.
What no Sartre? Kierkegaard? Leibniz? Heidegger?
The poll was for who the greatest philosopher was, but seeing as the Radio 4 audience will on the whole only have basic knowledge of philosophy and philosophers, the results will be based more on who they have heard of and about their very superficial knowledge (if any, in some cases) of the philosophers shortlisted.
Your worst trick of all; losing an argument? I know! I'll compare him to the Daily Mail or the BNP! That'll prove my point. :yeees:
Would be more appropriate - Marx's beard is no1.
Yeah an analysis of capitalism, however important it might be to people who are obsessed with such things(blagsta), doesn't make him the greatest philosopher of all time.