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Government to monitor 3 year olds for potential criminality...

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I was just about to post the very same thing. Great minds etc etc.

    Why don't we just go the whole hog and build the Ministry of Love to nurture all these kids back into full appreciation of how wonderful Tony "Fuhrer" Blair is.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Much as it seems very OTT and a bit extreme surely you can see a positive side to this with spotting poor parenting styles early on?

    Think this is going a bit too far though.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The important question is what constitutes criminality.

    I sure as hell don't think they'd be pin-pointing the children of fraudsters.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    This government gets weirder by the day. All a bit 1984 for my liking, and I don't mean Thatcherism and Miners Strikes.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Nothing new really. Many teachers I've had the displeasure of being taught by have a good idea who's a "criminal" by the end of Primary School. These "professionals" got it wrong of course.

    I'm sure our illustrious, benevolant leaders mean well, but like many of their ideas of late, (as you put it yourself in another thread Kermit) 10/10 for trying 0/10 in practice.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru

    That's awesome!

    Play group report:

    "We've noticed little Timmy likes playing with the toy guns a lot"

    *Enter CID*
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I'd imagine that whereas a small minority of young offenders might have had 'criminal instincts' in them, the great majority of them are offending because of poor parenting/education and social and economic background and situation. Therefore observing small children seems a moot point.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    The Home Office leaked document said children who were not "under control" by the age of three were four times more likely to be convicted of a violent offence.

    It suggested parenting classes and, in the worst cases, putting children who were not "under control" into intensive foster care instead of care homes, the Sunday Times reported.

    Hmm, how wise the sages are. Children in the care system are never convicted of violent offences ...........

    :sour:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Fits in nicely with ID cards, trial without jury, "black boxes" in cars, CCTV, detention without trial etc
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Hmm, how wise the sages are. Children in the care system are never convicted of violent offences ...........

    :sour:
    Good point.

    I must say im completely astounded and frightened by this.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Fits in nicely with ID cards, trial without jury, "black boxes" in cars, CCTV, detention without trial etc

    Very much so. :nervous:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    J wrote:
    Well, if people can't behave themselves then maybe they are left with little choice?

    so the majority should suffer for the failings of a minority...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    After just got off a train which had its windows put through, I would add that if they want to "monitor" the criminality of youth by chopping stone-throwers' hands off then I would fully support the idea.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    As braineater said, teachers and "professionals" often get completely the wrong end of the stick and assume the wrong kids are criminals.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    J wrote:
    Well, if people can't behave themselves then maybe they are left with little choice?

    If they cannot resolve the root causes of why people commit offences, then perhaps the people are left with little choice.

    BTW None of those "precautions" will detect white collar crime...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    If they cannot resolve the root causes of why people commit offences, then perhaps the people are left with little choice.

    BTW None of those "precautions" will detect white collar crime...

    Whilst personally I think these ideas are a waste of time, I'm not sure what your point is that they won't detect white-collar crime. Just because we can't detect all crimes doesn't mean we shouldn't deal with those we can deal with.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    What next from this hideous left wing government?

    If we only restored discipline in schools (the school I went to was complete chaos and discipline of any kind was not even heard of and most of the time teachers did not even turn up to lessons) then we would not have to do things like this.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    NQA wrote:
    Whilst personally I think these ideas are a waste of time, I'm not sure what your point is that they won't detect white-collar crime. Just because we can't detect all crimes doesn't mean we shouldn't deal with those we can deal with.

    My point is that more effort is put into detecting "blue-collar" crime.

    Just a though, but how many of those issues I raised actually prevent crime?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Left-wing? Armchair socialists who cowtow to hardline rightwing US administration agendas and adopt similar police state policies. Think you need to look beyond labels to the content, my good man. Blair is no left-winger, lol.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    madness!
    day dreamers will be controlled as will the adventerous ...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Seems pretty crazy. But I guess it's worth a try, if there is even a glimmer of hope of it working.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I guess it's worth a try, .
    surveilance and control from the cradle to the grave ...and some of you people think this is a good idea ...the way forward ...why ffs!?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I totally understand your perspective and complete intrusion is wrong, but at the same time something needs to be done. Obviously, it doesn't have to be as drastic as this.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I totally understand your perspective and complete intrusion is wrong, .
    i fail to understand what your saying here.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    i fail to understand what your saying here.

    Intrusion of lives.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Something needs to be done about what? About false flag fear mongering and the inflation of boogeyman "terrorist" threats created to justify a "war that will not end in our lifetimes" already exposed as nothing more than a thin guise for transnational war of aggression and conquest with concrete resource-control aims?

    Please, its made for media bs. You hear the term Al Qaeda publicised repeatedly and ascribed as the source for all acts around the globe which have sprung out of a virtual vacuum shortly before Washington itself ramped up the war machine and yet where are these hordes of terrorists? Do you live next door to any of those names "claimed" (without an ounce of concrete proof ever having been shown to the public) to be part of this vast network? Has anyone bothered to look into any of the scores of Arabic names cited always as "masterminds" (some masterminds if they are so easily rounded up and shipped off to indefinite detention, I must say)?

    All in all this is the the same psychological tactic used to make the Soviet Union into the threat it never really was throughout the Cold War by the very same school of ideologues whose political careers were launched and advanced throughout the height thereof.

    Now we have a generation who forgets the lies of past generations through which many of us older types lived. Lies that launched prior protracted interventionist policies and were ultimately revealed for the fraud and public betrayals they were all along. How many times will society continue to allow grasping political powermongers to sell them the same previously exposed false bill of goods simply because they package it in a new box and give it a new spiffy sounding name?

    It truly astounds me how repeatedly people will even remotely suggest that any form of authoritarianism and infringement of civil liberties can be justified simply because they can't think beyond the populist media filters erected to control public perception.

    Turn off the damn BBC/CNN/et al and consider that our own government infrastructures have more than sufficient numbers of eager and coldhearted trained psychotics to generate any number of on-demand events around the globe (bombing here, bombing there, quick phone call to a media outlet to say it's Al Qaeda claiming reponsibility, and voila... just in time for the eveining news - no real investigative journalism or pre-broadcast confirmation necessary nor ventured). It's a self perpetuating scheme for global public acquiescence to crisis-reaction mode policymaking for which the Third Reich or Soviet Russia itself could have only wished.

    And let me tell you from professional experience, the defence and security industries are enjoying every minute of this gravy train.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    at the same time something needs to be done.

    Done about what?

    Crime is falling on every barometer. The fear of crime is rising because newspapers like to play on every little incident and make it huge- it's what sells them papers. The Associated Press stable- The Daily Hatemail, the Standard, Metro- are the worst for it; they always report the crime, such as that five-year-old girl claiming to be raped in her home, but never report the good things, and never report things when they turn out to be false. It's very easy to make it look like the world's gone maaaad- the train I was on got stoned last night, and I got showered with glass, but a newspaper wouldn't bother to report that's the first time it happened to me in 15 years of intensive rail travel.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    What next from this hideous left wing government?

    Eh? :confused: What left wing government?
    If we only restored discipline in schools (the school I went to was complete chaos and discipline of any kind was not even heard of and most of the time teachers did not even turn up to lessons) then we would not have to do things like this.

    So its all the teachers fault is it?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Having watched a few episodes of 'House of Tiny Tearaways' I can see the point in there being some sort of service by which parents can come forward and say 'Timmy wont eat properly and hits me, can you help?'.

    For this to work though Social Security needs to be split, one half for the helping giving bits and another for the enforcement.

    But a wide spread monitoring of all children is a bit bonkers.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    bongbudda wrote:
    Having watched a few episodes of 'House of Tiny Tearaways' I can see the point in there being some sort of service by which parents can come forward and say 'Timmy wont eat properly and hits me, can you help?'.
    Yeah but a three year old that has tantrums and wont eat his dinner, does NOT mean that he will grow into a criminal.
    I dont think you can judge such a young child.
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