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No, some people perceive it as threatening. The act itself is neither threatening, nor intimidating.
Still. end of the day its a waste of time talking about it - society is being herded into intolerance without a bleat.......
It's more about having the hood up, and concealing your face from people/cameras.
cameras and people that shouldn't be being nosey in the first place, i've always believed teenagers are always in rebellion from the "system", more cameras and rules just give them more reasons to be the rebel and make the problem worse...it's quite funny...
Well that's what I meant, as an adjective (describing the kids) rather than a verb (in what the kids were doing was).
I disagree. Society is tolerant, but some things take it too far. Like this case.
Yes, and detention without trial, ASBOs, hoodies, trainers b4 exams, injunctions against protestors, curfews for kids, id cards, cctv, deporting asylum seekers to Zimbabwe, detaining child refugees ......... they all link together, and form a pretty unpleasant picture.
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Personally, as a young person, I don't have a problem with cameras and stuff following me - I do nothing wrong, I have nothing to hide. But you obviously haven't been to Manchester and seen the types of kids that hang around these places, stealing and causing trouble and abusing people and stuff.
We shouldn't have to have cameras - but the 'bad' behaviour came first. The cameras came second.
They are a nuisance and they definitely intimidate some shoppers by loitering around in front of the Triangle.
Yes, and the harsher the measures adopted, the worse the behaviour gets....
Just when it seems we have reached full panic mode, an even bigger problem erupts.
The process seems to be working just fine.
Exactly my point. I fully agree with this.
Well, how about you come up with a scheme that actually does work? If that;s your attitude, then nothing will ever be good enough for you. It's a fucking stupid rule that we must behave worse if we are actually being watched, it all adds to the drama and excitement of being caught acting stupidly and making other peoples lives difficult...
Balls.
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Yes, we should all bow at the altar of public perception - I hate Ben Sherman shirts I do, and I'm fucked if I'm wearing one to get into a shop......
yes, I would sue...or rock of justice.
:yes: That is true, if you aren't doing anything wrong you don't have anything to fear in terms of direct repercussions. And most teens can walk around in business establishments without being hassled. But with all the cameras and security officers I can't help but be reminded of Jeremy Bethman's panopticon.
I have to say I agree with Blagsta and FTP of this one (although ya might wanna not go after shy boy as hard as ya did
By wearing abnormal cloths you aren't intimidating anybody. I suggested that she sue the business because money really is the only language that they understand, and someone has got to teach those elitist pricks and their security guards a lesson.
Junk like this drives me nuts. I once was asked to leave a store because i have short hair and was wearing camo shorts. Apparently that's rather frightening for some adults and was hindering commerce.
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I frequently go there, and I feel much safer and less intimidated on the streets around Affleck's Palace than I ever do walking around the squares by Urbis and Selfridges.
Society is very intolerant, I don't think its any more so than it ever was, there's finally the technology to enforce it now.
Nightclubs having dress codes are a funny one, I'm not sure where I stand. I don't think it is the same as restricting access to schooling or shopping because of clothing, however.
Eh?
How are goths intimidating? If you find goths intimidating, I dunno how you cope with the world.
Their faces are so low that you could trip over them. v. dangerous.
Possibly.
Sorry, I was saying if it was a life or death situation then I would change my clothes so I could get in the shop. But I'm aware that people should have the freedom to where what they like (so long as it's not stupid; i.e. nothing) when they go out shopping.
I was having a debate with the free marketeers about whether a shop owner has the right to refuse service to black people. A black person can't exactly change their skin colour can they?
but they were black, and they're likely to spread the depression disease
yeh but why if i havent done anything illegal or unethical thati should have to have my hood down, i dont have my hood up normally im just saying why should people be forced to
if someone is scared of me with my hood up then theyre the ones with the problem, not me and i shouldnt be punished for someones insecurities
then if i ran a shopping centre id ban guys who look camp, cause i dont want the trend of looking camp to catch up.......
exactly, in fact just ban everyone who's not a white, straight, male who dresses "normally"...should sort the problem out!
furthering the zombiefication of this coutnry
this country thrives when people are allowed to do their own things in a responsible environment, and yet this country is going to the dogs cause of the over nannyfication of people who expect to be happy 100% of the time, and live the celeb fucknig lifestyle, and if theyre not its something medical whic his out of their control, when its is their bloody fault for expecting too much, i not happy 100% nor do i live a celeb lifestyle but im somehow content and really healthy - life ISNT SUPPOSED TO BE PERFECT - celebrate our differences and accept others and find them amusing
I think exclusion and segregation can sometimes be good. But many would disagree with me I'm sure - but it's a phenonimon that creates itself. Many here would not want to hang out with 'chavs' from their own free will, they don't need to be held apart by rules. Same with goths, or any group to be honest. But anyway...
prejudiced scum
i talk to anyone, if they annoying they annyoing, and if i get on with them i jsut do, how it should be....
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What the fuck are you on? It's a preference. I've got mates on both ends of the spectrum, and to be honest I'd rather hang out with the 'chavs'/scallies than the 'goths'. And what?
And can only be a good thing in my opinion. The goth birds round here tend to be fat ugly fuckers with their tits spilling out everywhere, I don't wanna have to catch a glimpse of that as I'm picking out something nice for the old dear. :razz: