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i disagree. i think it is his business. since he is paying his tax money so you can spend your benefits on:
if you had a valid reason for not being able to work then i would have no problem at all. please don't take the piss with this social anxiety business. i know people with that, and you'd be fucked if you'd be getting them anywhere near a plane, let alone a foreign country.
generally neither do people who manage well enough to sit on the internet typing all day.
Jeez, I'm impressed by your all encompassing knowledge of the "social anxiety business" - have you had training in it?
Does it always manifest itself in exactly the same form?
Is it easy to dignose the exact symptons online?
On the whole though, I have to say your advice worker skills are wanting too.
One of the qualities sought is the ability to be non-judgemental.
Point is, you're not on them. You say you're able to work in a "small" shop but not in a big one. Well that doesn't mean that you're incapable of working, it means you would prefer to sit on your bottom on the internet until you find a job that you would deign to lower yourself to. If you are well enough to work in one place you are well enough to work in any place in the same field, so stop trying to claim that you can't get a job because of your social anxiety.
And I don't think I'm being unfair in being skeptical about your carpal tunnel syndrome if you are capable enough to sit at a computer and type long messages about why you're not being lazy. If you can sit on TheSite and type, you can get a job and type and stop sitting on your arse living off my hard-earned wedge.
I don' think I am being unfair, though I shouldn't swear so much. If you're genuinely incapable of working then fair dos, you should get all the help you need, but in reality I rather suspect that you are too lazy, not too incapable, to find work. And if you are too lazy to find work then it is my business, because I have been at work since 8am to pay for your "crap and shoes and ebay". Don't forget that, it's not magic money, it's my money.
i'd value your points if (a) you were any more than a troll, albeit comparitively well-spoken or (b) you appeared to have read any of Ilora's previous posts.
Yes, there are situations people are not able to get a job. However, you don't seem to have given us any valid reasons why you don't have a job which is why people have "jumped to conclusions" and gotten extremely pissed off.
You don't need any experience to work in a shop, to clean, to do data entry ... the list goes on. I didn't have any experience working in a shop but still managed to get a job doing it. So this argument is shit.
If these were *serious* issues to contend with you would not be on JSA but on Incapacity Allowance or whatever it is called.
Jeez. Ten job interviews since October. Don't overdo it, like. I have been to more than that since January and still didn't get my ideal job so I had to look elsewhere. If you keep being told that you are unsuccessful then maybe you should try jobs that are more junior to those you have been trying for. These jobs *do* exist.
Aah, I understand - you think that if you know something about someone, then it's alright to be judgemental ........
It is out of order to use a simple request for information as a launchpad to attack someone .............. and its considerably worse when its a whole bunch of people who seem to consider themselves the "in crowd" around here ......
:eek2:
Remind me, who started the personal attack in the "Arbeit Mach Frei" thread?
I can't see that one contradicts the other.
If you sign off, then sign back on when you returned then you would only lose the one week when you were away from the country...
AFAIK the other thread wasn't a simple request for advice - it was in the P+D forum, and the idea for came it from your posts, which is why I credited you for it.
It wasn't however meant to be a personal attack - although it did quote some of your posts. It is an attempt to explore the idea that people should take the first shitty job that they can get ........ which is what I believe you said, and so far I have seen nothing that contradicts that belief.
If that thread made you uncomfortable however, then maybe you could reflect on how Ilora feels about this thread - where she has been personally attacked by a number of posters.
Your post aimed at me was a personal attack - as were Kermit's posts.
So, if it had been meant as a personal attack, I wouldn't be feeling guilty.
And while I'm on this thread - when I posted my advice, it came from the DMG, which is the Guide that Benefits Agency Staff use when they make decisions.
it's a few quid ...it's money that is employing some of you for fucks sake ...
You've only been married a few weeks. Get a hold on yourself girl :impissed:
Of course, if things are that bad already...
Seriously, just doing my civic duty. It appear that I may be on his "ignore list" though. Guess I question his perspective too often and too closely. Oh well...
No sense of the bigger picture at all then hmm? Of course it is a few quid for one person, shame there's not just one person using it though...
I've no idea what that means.
I think he means that this money is being used to buy clothes/food etc. This then goes to wages for the producer/vendor (which could be you), who then spends its elsewhere (which could be you)...
It's the cycle of money through the system...
Although this is true, the argument against it would be that with a job, the person would still be getting money to spend in the cycle, and less people would be outraged by the having money to spend on "crap like clothes and shoes and ebay" as it would be money earned, not money handed over on JSA which is funded by the taxpayer.
Where do you think that money comes from that gets paid in wages?
It gets invented by the banks. You lose out either way. If the total amount of money goes up by someone's wages every week, inflation takes that value off everyone else anyway, so in fact you lose less of value by having people on JSA than having them working.
Add in the cost of profit, and subtract the actual value of whatever they produce to get the net benefit to "the economy". Basically if you are working in anything that doesn't physically produce goods you might as well be on the dole from an economic point of view.
(I know, I know you do valuably social stuff etc, but this is from a purely economic pov)
You should say to them that even though your out of the country you still have access to the Internet for the whole week and you can still check for jobs via the net and apply for them either by emailing them or by phone which you can then arrange for an interview after you get back. See what they say, might work.
Failing that get your GP to write them a letter so they can actually try and understand how you feel and see what happens from there.
To whoever asked me the question of why I don't claim Incapacity Benefit or Disability Living Allowance, is because I'm not a 'registered disabled'. I also don't want to be relying on benefits for the rest of my life.
Me going on JSA was and still is a temporary situation, and I'm claiming what I'm entitled to according to the law; I'm over 18 and actively seeking employment therefore entitled to claim £44 a week until I find employment.
What I do with my benefits is entirely at my discretion and I won't have anybody telling me how to spend it.
Anyway, to (hopefully) end this horrible thread I should never have bothered to start, I signed off today. So, you angry little people will be pleased to know that I won't be receiving my 44 pounds this week, so maybe you'll be a little bit less angry. (I doubt that somehow).
So, yes I'm signed off for a week, and when I come back from Greece, I can do a rapid re-claim, which will be back dated to when I make my initial re-claim. I don't have to go through the whole interview process again, I was apparently mis-informed by one of the Job Centre's so called advisors!
Thankyou and goodbye. I'll be thinking about you all when I'm lying on my sunbed with an ice cold Frappé, on a hot and lazy day by the pool. Ta Ta, for now. Ilora x
just two quick points from someone who knows what social anxiety actually is:
1. if an anxiety disorder is sufficiently severe as to prevent you from working, you can claim illness-related benefits. this is infinitely better than being on jobseekers if you are not actually intending to seek a job.
2. the recommended treatment for social anxiety is CBT. and the generally accepted method of therapy for a specific anxiety is exposure therapy. i.e. doing the thing that scares you. i.e. getting a job.
If I wasn't actively seeking work, I wouldn't be on Job Seekers.
Ilora x
Good luck with finding something.
http://vbulletin.thesite.org.uk/showthread.php?t=54527&highlight=Ilora
and..
http://vbulletin.thesite.org.uk/showthread.php?t=72992&highlight=Ilora
?!
Really, you are full of shit.
On that note - any further discussions about welfare should be taken to the P&D boards and to avoid this turning into any more of a slanging match I shall now close this thread.
:wave: