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You are right though, its a good feeling, certainly value for money at £1 a pill. Better than alcohol.
I fully appreciate the possibility that the pill I had may have been a particularly strong pill therefore my theory that my tolerance levels had decreased would be void. However it is somewhat possible to attempt to guage pill quality and effectiveness by seeing the effects on those around you.
The same people who I had been caining pills with the summer before were the same people I was with a year on. While I had been abstaining, they had been continuing. The summer before we had been taking relatively the same amounts. One year of abstinence on, and it was taking me alot less pills than them to reach the similar highs. In this case, just the one pill did the trick.
Now I know it's not a conclusive or scientific argument as the pills weren't tested, so I can't be sure but for now, I can only put it down to decreasing tolerance levels.
I think what Martin was getting at was that the reason for this probably isnt a physical re-growth in the brain, its probably just a hightening of the seritonin levels. But given we havent cut open your brain and had a look we dont know.
When i was talking about tolerance i was talking about physical chemical interactions with the body and nothing else. I appreciate that most people when they talk about tolerance are talking about their subjective experience of E over time, which can as we all know, vary. The bodies physical tolerance to MDMA does not reduce significantly over time but the subjective experience and operational capacity in which the drug is working (your brain) does and many report benefits in experience from abstinence and lowered dosage levels.
Just thought i'd my position there
Yes there maybe some long term neuron damage, but apart from that there should be no long term damage anywhere else in the body.
And theres nothing to say that those remaining receptors wouldnt make up the spare as it were, meaning comparable levels of seritonin.
And given that all the user has is the subjective experience, talk of physical tolerance when they cant feel it is somewhat redundant.
I'll dig this up for you in short order (when i can get my Addiction Psychiatry Doc on the blower/email) but there is apparently frightening evidence at the chronic end of E use. Not just in terms of implications in brain chemistry, but in the manner in which the body begins to deal with and excrete E...it actually gets used to it so this is suggesting which would collate with other findings with other amphetamines in chronic usage patterns...
The chemical itself is excreted quicker, the action on the brain is dulled, chronic use ususally precipitates a state of temporary serotonin depletion in production so its off to a loser any way.
This is the context in which it is not redundant...
And im sorry if i didnt make this clear, where did i talk about bodily damage?
I havent heard of there being a physical tolerance to the drug, though of course users do find less and less returns from the drug.
I meant a long term physical tolerance, which doesnt appear to happen with many drugs at all.
There is evidence that MDMA does have a physical toleranc but most people have never done enough to get a decent one, like alcohol only even harder to attain.
We havent had the usage patterns to show it up until recently but its scarey...something about calling them 'sweeties' that is frighteningly close to reality.
The science behind this i think was more based on inferrence, because the reduction rate for tolerance in chronic use just wasnt decreasing...
Im going to make a point of researching this because im actually intrigued as to how the Doc came by this and how the science behind it is constructed...
But then amphetamine tolerance is well known.
Look at the evidence for it in meth studies in the US, frightening.
We just havent had the usage patterns to show it up in MDMA, and also it is masked by the fact that its a psychoactive where the others arent to such a degree.
You dont have to look to old examples of methamphetamine and soldiers, its still used, and it was used massively in Vietnam.
I asked him about MDMA tolerance and we got onto the issue of chronic use, and he confirmed to me something i read god know where that i didnt know whether to trust or not that MDMA tolerance doesnt dissapate within the human life time.
What i will do is go and do some Google-digging and DrugScope poking and see what i can turn up, but i may have to wait a while for this to come through from my medical source..
However, if younger people are using the drug they maybe more susceptable to it.
Given rough measurements thats about 350-700mg of MDMA which is quite a bit in one go.
7 was the tail end of a wide spectrum i gave because i believe that (i mean we all know we are working bloody roughly here) dosage variations and individual physicality can make this constitute chronic use.
Just because alot of people dont think its exceptional doesnt make it not chronic.
I wasnt saying that wasnt chronic use, I was saying that to many people 7 pills isnt what they would term as chronic use.
4 or more seems to be definately normal now.
bloody hell i mean we never thought we were pushing the boat out at 4-6 pills, although never did more than 6 and that was only because they were (we thought at the time) crap.
There seems to be respect and bravado in how many you can take, when it really should be about the high.
People who live with people who do that tell a different story, they are there when the party's over and through the sunday, monday, tuesday and beyond.
You dont get the same reaction.
At a party he was asked how many he'd had by a girl and he said 'about 20 I think' she slapped him and told him he was being stupid.
I dont think he's done them more than about once a year since then.
Nice bloke, shame he like Terrorcore and wierd scary music.
well, after reading this forum reply to my original message....which im greatly overwhelmed to the reply, it still proves my own personal point no one actually knows the truth and i think this is why people like myself are in this buble that they cant seem to get out of, "is drugs that bad if you take them once in a blue moon?"
"should i do it one last time?"