global economic collapse.

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Because we have the poor, the bankrupt, the repossessed, the homeless. It's where they come from.

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klintock wrote:

Because we have the poor, the bankrupt, the repossessed, the homeless. It's where they come from.

Speaking as someone with some professional experience of this situation, the majority of the truly destitute and the homeless are in that situation due to mental illness which prevents them from coping with what most people consider to be normal society.

Even bankruptcy isn't a bar to dusting yourself off and starting again.

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Yeah, but it does leave whatever you had worked for in the hands of someone who hadn't done anything for it bar pretend they had some money.

They then monetize this and do it all over again. And out of all the people that they give their "money" someone must fail to return it, and lose the property they had to cover the debt. Looking at it individually it's fair enough, but look at it from the point of view of everyone and it's obvously skewed and unpayable.

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the majority of the truly destitute and the homeless are in that situation due to mental illness which prevents them from coping with what most people consider to be normal society

What a load of corporatist mythology BS! Go tell that to the long steadily increasing numbers of decent hardworking yuppies (and their families) who have had the rug pulled out from under them (not to mention their homes) due to this fraudulent debt-founded economic system.

Oh and as for bankruptcy, you might try checking out the most recently passed bankruptcy legislation in the US which eliminates even that safety net for small businesses and (especially) individuals in favour of the credit industry. (Senate Bill S. 256).

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Can't speak for US law, I work in the UK system.

Your talk of yuppies is irrelevant. Many overreached themselves and went bankrupt - that doesn't mean they became homeless. They may even have had homes repossessed, but the majority of them would have found work again and been able to rent homes (at least). The UK welfare state is such that no one should be truly destitute unless they are unable to understand the process by which the state can help them.

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The_Grapes_of_Sloth wrote:

Can't speak for US law, I work in the UK system.

Your talk of yuppies is irrelevant. Many overreached themselves and went bankrupt - that doesn't mean they became homeless. They may even have had homes repossessed, but the majority of them would have found work again and been able to rent homes (at least). The UK welfare state is such that no one should be truly destitute unless they are unable to understand the process by which the state can help them.

you will find that the MAJORITY of homeless people are not mental cases or drug addicts.
you will find that the homeless get their fifty quid a week or whatever it is ...but having no means of raising a deposit can not get back into housing. there is also a shortage of housing ...
neither can they get employment cos they have no adress.
go talk to the homeless and meet the people who's family died in a fire ...who's wife walked out ...whos son died ...who went bust loosing everything ...
then come back and tell me about the homeless and how our welfare system means no one should be without a house and home!

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Are we getting homelessness and rough sleepers muddled up - they're two different things. Rough Sleepers do tend to have other problems, such as drugs or alcohol dependency, mental health problems which keeps them on the street.

Govt estimates suggest there's only just over 500 Rough Sleepers in England. I couldn't find the latest budget, but the 1999/00 for the Rough Sleepers Unit was £145m for London and £34m for outside London over 3 years. A not insignificant amount.