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Is he another of your sacred cows? His approval of the Church Street massacre alone is enough to convict him of scumhood in my book.
I'm asking you a question and you turn it into a battle. Whats the matter with you?
People do horrible things in a war. That doesn't necessarily make them "scum".
As for my opinion of Mandela? I don't have one either way.
Deliberate targetting of civilians can be justified? The word scum is too harsh a label for such people?
Funny that you comment on the words usage the 67889th time it's been mentioned in this forum, and never before...
No, I don't think my country right or wrong.
I do think that it was wrong to give away intelligence details like this. Nothing was gained from her action other than to highlight that the UK spies.
We were listening in to Koffi, so what?
I have a hunch that you'd condemn Ariel Sharon if he condoned the targetted bombing of Palestinian civilians in rush hour, and wouldn't argue with someone who labelled him scum.
Comparing Sharon and Mandela is absurd.
:rolleyes:
Can you not see that simply condemning Mandela as "scum" for one thing is absurd, given the situation in South Africa at the time and all the other things Mandela has done and stands for?
Apart from giving us some insight into the rabid rancid racist literature your sully your already dirty mind with, theres no evidence that Mandela approved of the bombing, is there?
I didn't compare Mandela and Sharon, and I think you understood that. I suggested that you might have double standards about their issues and behaviour. You haven't denied it.
freethepeeps- Mandela still does not condemn such acts as the 'Church Street Massacre', the slaughter of Zulus at Shell House (is the 'racist' accusation the first resort of bigots on this site?) or other terrorist atrocities. Pull your head out of the ground and be even-handed and critical about Blacks (and Whites, Inuits, Maoris or whatever), as you are so pathologically critical of Israel. Amnesty International declared in 1985 that scumbag Mandela was no longer to be considered a 'political prisoner' because he 'participated in planning acts of sabotage (terrorism!-nckdn) and inciting violence'. It's a reasonable viewpoint and you're unreasonable to imply that I'm racist. Please reconsider your rash judgement of me.
You brought Sharon up, therefore you must have thought it was a useful comparison.
You're not *even more baffled*. You're dishonest.
You're trying to compare what you think my opinion of Sharon is to what you think my opinion of Mandela is. How do you get from that absurd comparison of two totally different people in two totally different political situations, to calling me a liar?
Why don't you like Martin Luther King? Einstein?
I guess some disagree with Martin Luther King. I know if his logic quite a few people here would be classed as anti-Semitic...
Additionally, it's not as if Gunn's revelation has imperilled the lives of any field agents, which is the usual accusation made against 'traitors'.
I post : "I didn't compare Mandela and Sharon.."
You post in response: "...absurd comparison of two blah blah..."
To which I charge that your continued responses avoiding the meat of my posts, do suggest (I say again) that you're being dishonest. Read back the thread and see if I'm being fair. I only said you were being dishonest after you'd avoided the meat five (!) times in one thread.
Google their names with 'plagiarist'.
Stop wiggling you little worm. You have compared what I might think about Sharon and Mandela by the very fact of bringing Sharon up in this context. Try thinking about what you write next time.
Where am I being dishonest?
Oh dear.
You fash always reveal yourselves due to your stupidity.
Hee hee - criticism of Israel = anti-semitism. And no doubt the Jews who criticise Israel hate themselves right?
Its about time you learnt to tell the difference between an ethnic (in the loosest sense of the term) group and an out of control landgrabbing state that commits acts of genocide on a daily basis. It really isn't very difficult to work out.........
You're confusing Amnesty Internationals narrow definition of "prisoners of conscience", with their support for Mandela - they never stopped campaigning for his release.......
You read the scummiest literature. No doubt you think that Mandela should have doffed his cap to the Bwana and accepted the indignity that your racist white heroes felt entitled to inflict on Mandela and the indigenous peoples of South Africa. Well, we'll just have to agree to disagree on that one - I have no desire to visit the grubbier reaches of your racist mindset.
Bye bye.
That speech is almost definitely an hoax
Anyways, I refer the right honourable gentleman to my answer above. Were MLK alive today I am sure he would express disquiet at the way that Israel treats the Palestinians in the West Bank, Gaza and Israel.
The fundamental role of the intelligence services is to gather information so that our "leaders" are able to make informed decisions.
When you dealing at the highest levels of politics you should not consider yourself immune from spying. Koffi included.
That our leaders make poor decision inspite of the intelligence services is another thing
Gunn's disclosures certainly didn't imperil lives on this occasion. But that doesn't change the fact that she is a traitor.
Absolute class King. Congrats to Glasgow Uni.
So who the fuck has got a beef about this appointment then?
Once again...congrats to all at Glasgow Uni
Any more info on Vanunu would be most welcome btw
Now stop your dribbling village boy and behave