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thats wy he got a reduced sentence not a lifetime in prison, he still did kill someone, and if he was that frightened, he would have got temporay insanity
however though, martin had his case heard, the boy no matter how pikey he was, didnt have a chance to do that
This has got NOTHING to do with God. This is a state given right. God tells you to turn the other cheek, that if someone takes your shirt to give him your coat also. I don't hear you advocating that. So don't bring something in you don't understand.
whose to judge, i take insults very personally, they scare me :rolleyes:
Can I jump on their heads until I'm satisfied I've killed them, if they punch me first?
Is that what you're saying?
Back it up or retract it.
And who has said that apart from LabRat? In fact I think if you look at gun control threads we all pick at Labrat because of his views on this issue.
I think, we more have a problem with murderers getting away with it.
MARTIN WASN'T DEFENDING HIMSELF WHEN HE SHOT THE BURGLAR!!!
Do you understand that very simple principle?
Does martin even have a family?
Yourself tells you. This has got NOTHING to do with God.
It IS a legal definition in of itself. The judge decides whether or not the actions of the person in each case are justified.
The burglar was running away.
Martin took aim carefully and shot the kid in the back as he was running away.
Do you understand now? Or do I have to send a five-year-old to explain it to you?
OK, but what does reasonable force mean? Does it mean you can shoot someone? Or does it mean you must invite burglars in for a nice cup of tea?
this has got nothing to do with God and neither does your point of view
huh
and what id you mean earlier by"what if it was the other way"
the boy didnt kill him!?
back it up or retract it.
" Matthew 5:38-42
38 "You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.' 39 But I tell you, don't stand up against an evil person. If someone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other cheek also. 40 If someone wants to sue you in court and take your shirt, let him have your coat also. 41 If someone forces you to go with him one mile, go with him two miles. 42 If a person asks you for something, give it to him. Don't refuse to give to someone who wants to borrow from you"
means something to me, and its not too ambigous either
If the burglar is coming towards you armed with a knife, baseball bat, gun, etc, then shooting should be okay.
if the burglar is not armed and is trying to run away, then shooting him dead or chasing him through the garden and beating him to death with a bat is not unreasonable force.
I'm sure there are a few cases were it is not so clear, but in the situations such as Martin it was crystal clear. Martin had said in the past he was going to kill someone. He had premeditiation. And on the day, he shot a kid that was unarmed and running away trying to escape.
But incredibly the right wing press and the likes of Luke believe you have the right to murder someone in such circumstances.
yes and leave it to the police and judicary...
lynch mobs didnt exist any more i thought!
tonymartin had an oppurtunity to explain his actions, and thus was given leniancy
that boy neva even had the chance to admit guilt or even apoligise or make up for it in his actions, but in his murder
Can we torture them as well? I'm sure you'd enjoy that.
how am i hypocrite, explain please!?
is it cause i dont bow down to an almighty god or something who will kill me for not believing, i didnt even think christians belived that! if all that shit really existed ill be judged by god on judgement day not some idiot on a internet forum
im allowed to read someones words and think "i like that idea" you know, no crime for it, so dont shoot me!
wtf just cause its the bible dont make it special, in my personal beliefs anyway, and since the bible is technically a collection of ministories and sayings, then i have every right to pick and choose individual things which i agree with, which in my opinion make the world a fairer place
If you think a human life is worth so little then you probably think it's also okay to torture them a bit before shooting them.
well dont say your a christian then... cause technically your not, your just similar-ish since that line forms a basis for the christian religion ie treat those as you want to be treated, and that it isnt your right to judge someones morality
well you always say "i said ehat i bleieve before"
and you normaly say ur a christian, so if you are, do and believe as it says!
Yes or no?
It'd take a while for the police to turn up and you don't know who the hell is downstairs. They could hurt you or... More importantly your children.
I think it's easy to say that it's not right to murder a burglar, but in reality you could be frightened for your loved ones... You don't know who the fuck is downstairs or what their intentions are. Sometimes people snap under that sort of pressure.
I don't believe in killing burglars of course... But to 'murder' there's always a motivation and some psychological research shows that even in the most gentle of people, there can be a killer.