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Environmental protection is humans trying to halt the planet's natural cycle of hot and cold periods. Discuss.
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possibly.
but ...burning the ammount of stuff we do has to have a huge impact ...along with tearing down the forrests ...the lungs of the world.
the oceans are dying ...look at the crap wepour into them.
all male species seem to be becoming sterile ...something is seriously wrong.
The problem which scientists have is the fact that they are not sure what the effects of pumping these gases into the atmosphere. It might lead to an increase in temperature but then again it might not.
An interesting article about Global Climate Change
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3737160.stm
The only ones to deny this are neo-con cunts, tinfoil hat wearers and- surprise surprise- scientists on the payroll of oil corporations.
An environmental disaster does not mean planet earth is going to end. But it means hundreds of millions of people will die through famine. flooding and extreme weather conditions.
Perhaps another ice age in the future is inevitable. But that does not mean we should help it along and make it happen in 50 years time as opposed to 5,000.
But there have been periodical environmental disasters regardless of human interferance. Why is it we want or need the planet to stay as it is, why can't we accept that the planet will change regardless of what we do, and the only thing perhaps we should be doing is minimising our impact?
But the present change in the enviorment has not been caused by nature but by people's actions which can be either stopped or slowed.
we can be sure that we are poisoning ourselves ...our water ...our wildlife ...our fauna ...our oceans.
we are burning holes in the roof.
all these things we can slow down on.
That we can agree on. ChloroFlouroCarbons are not naturally occuring, or at least not abundantly. They break up O3 which is Ozone, so that is entirely the fault of ignorant scientists.
saw mills are a big industry here in north wales.
moonrat you will be aware i pressume of a company not far from you called kronaspan in chirk ...all day every day 365 days of the year huge logging trucks are in and out ...they have the biggest pile of firewood i ever saw!
when i first moved here i was gobsmacked by it.
then i discovered hundreds of sawmills with all these trees arriving daily.
i thought the welsh forrests would dissapear within a month!
but ...on being taken round the corwen forrest by a forrestry guy when i was getting my permit ...he explained that they are managed in such a way as to get bigger year on year ...how they manage it is unknown to me.
i do know that most trees are not allowed to grow to maturity and are in fact cut down at around seven years old. (why B&Q pine is shite.) these forrests also provide for a couple off massive papermills on deeside.
so at least some good news. the forrests supply employment on a grand scale and raw materials and keep on getting bigger.
it is one of the easiest crops to grow ...anywhere in the world in any climate.
it improves the soil. it is not labour intensive. needs no pesticides.
it produces top quality bio diesel. canvas. (the word cannabis is egyptian for canvas). make ropes ...replaced by nylon which is very bad environmentaly ...clothes ...seed oils ...medicines ...
building materials.
one of the reasons hemp production was stopped in america and then across the world under pressure from the americans ...was for simple greed by the oil companies once they had discovered how to maufacture nylon.
yes ...lets all smoke old rope and save the world.
It may very well be part of a cycle, but damage to the physical environment is just one concern. For example more people than ever before are being diagnosed with asthma and other respiratoy conditions. Adults are actually developing asthma and health professionals are blaming things such as pollution. Surely minimising the effect we have on the environment can't hurt, so why not at least try?
Yes, fair enough for things like heart disease etc, but nobody is really blame that on the environment. Even those without any medical training can see an immediate link between asthma, COPD etc and the environment (inc. being in smoky environments)
There are several known causes of asthma and I'm sure if you ask someone who suffers with more than mild asthma they'll know fine well what causes theirs (for example someone I work with has chronic asthma that is set off by aerosols and smoke)
To be fair though that isn't really the main concern of the topic. I've already put forward my thoughts on it, I can't see why there is a need to argue about it. Surely those with common sense would agree that minimising the effect we have on the environment can only be a good thing?
emmisions from cars and power plants and factories and refineries and ...
Yes, but we've already established that our emissions pale in the considerations of 'natural' emissions, havn't we. Also considering they chemical damage of which you speak, they're reactions that don't occur with our soft tissues.
volcanoes don't pump it out 24hrs a day in your street in your house in the shops etc etc.
even our buidings are attacking us ...vinyl floors ...etc etc.
These aren't causes, they're triggers. Aerosols and smoke set off the symptoms, but they don't necessarily cause the disease
I agree that minimism our impact is a good thing. Are we really to blame for the apparent effects of global warming though?
but we arent helping, and the smog bowls that surround LA and many other cities round the world
and yes there amy be a natural cycle, but they tend to be regular, in terms of prediction and they occur in sycles, what were doing is changing seasonal weather patterns, to point research says we need to cut oil based CO2 emissions by 80% whilst kyoto is only 15% on 1990 levels
Some volcanoes are permanently active, and other are active for long periods of time prior to and post erruption. More to the point the ammount of debri flung from a volcano during erruption is really vast ammounts.
like the oceans and the rain forrests both of which we have stripped and damaged.
Yes, I think we are.