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UK police can use information gained by torture.
BillieTheBot
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Yes, as the government rolls forward its excellent plans to rid us of the 'Terror Threat' we can now legally use information gained by other countries even if that information is gained by torture.
Why dont we just give up this pretense and just kill all Muslims, thats the only realistic answer.
Why dont we just give up this pretense and just kill all Muslims, thats the only realistic answer.
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Why is it ok for us to condone other countries doing it when we believe it to be unethical?
How ludicrous and laughable our "quest" to bring democracy and freedom to those poor Middle Eastern countries is becoming.
In the least 2 and a half years many of the so called free democracies in this world have regressed many decades and places in the freedom and democracy league.
Not far from now we might all want to consider moving somewhere where freedom, human rights and democracy are still in existence... because it is certainly dying out here.
And now their bombing Najaf as well, thats not going to insult anyone, honest! Its like air carpet bombing the Vatican for fucks sake!
Lets face it mate, the US military have never been the most intelligent bunch have they. They really fit the oxymoron 'military intelligence' don' they?
Ethics aside. Give sufficient inducement anyone will admit to doing anything. It's simply not a reliable method of extracting information. You just have to find the right pressure points and lean on them. You might not break under your own torture, but what if from there, to extract the "correct" information, they tortured your loved ones, with you watching, all the time they say 'it'll stop if you admit it'. How long could you really hold out under that?
Only real wankers have to use that sort of method. Too lazy and stupid to find some actual evidence. Incidentally, the source of evidence means 'that which is seen', will we watch the tapes of the torture in court?
Good point, I hadnt thought of that!
Fiend; Anything seems to be ok in the name of Terror now, we've got internment here, torture abroad, how long is it till we have torture here too.
Or, if we cant get round our laws why not just fly all our prisoners to Iraq torture them there then use the evidence against them in the UK.
Not in MY name.
I hope that in the UK and Europe people are intelligent enough to know when enough is enough. I won't let it happen quietly.
And many voters think like you and me. Don't forget that.
So lets tell them to think how we do?
I know, it's terrible isn't it, have you read the threads on them?
It's really quite amusing. Or it would be if it wasn't such a blatantly cynical attempt to scare people.
Damn, does that mean that Al Qaeda won't be blowing up Carrock Fell in winter at night then?
They might as well just add "lynch all paki bastards and mick cunts" at the end of it.
That new plan has nothing to do with being anti-muslim or killing muslims.
Where else is there more freedom?
Why do you always have to be such an apologist for crappily run muslim states and always criticise our own?
What? Where was he an apologist for Muslim states?
I think he and I have many valid concerns about the decreasing freedoms which we have.
As for countries who have more freedom, well I'm fairly sure Sweden, New Zealand, and well, most of the EU doesnt have internment. And they dont have the horrendous 'Profits of Crime Act' or the oh so lovely 'Patriot Act'.
Hmm, I'm not sure that is fair. Certainly people on these boards are more critical of our own Govts than they are of some of the arab states (NB In the main they are not Muslim states) but they are critical of the practices in the arab world too.
However, when your Govt claims to be acting in "Freedom"'s cause then I'm sure you would agree that we should expect freedom to be delievered here and that high standards should apply.
Much of the legislation passed since 11/9 relating to the "terrorist threat" denies our freedoms. The other point is that the "threat" is being exagerrated at every opportunity because politicians know that public fear will allow them to get away with a lot more...
Yes its nasty if the DRC mistreats its people, but I am not personally effected.
I'm not entirely sure that the government is actually 'condoning' the torture but it does place one's conscience in a very difficult position.
For instance, if one was aware that a dirty bomb was due to be detonated in central London but that this information had been extracted from an individual in some hellpit in darkest Pakistan, would one choose to ignore it based on how the information was gleaned - and obviously see and live with the result of many thousands of Londoners dead or seriously wounded that one may have saved - or would one have to say "I detest the manner in which this information was acheived BUT the information is out there now anyhow - and I must use it to save many more lives"?
Would the bulk of the country support the individual's moral stance on this and accept the needless casualty - or would most, as I suspect, insist that the information was used regardless?
It's not an easy subject.
Get a grip.
And, torture is only going to increase the level of terrorism threat, so what do we do, crank up the torture to get the information to stave off an attack?
Given that potential informants would already be equally aware of the ethos of paranoia driving US/UK intelligence efforts and the resultant fear that Washington itself will perpetrate upon the country without any act of terrorism being required, its equally likely (if not more so) that the supposed "information" received is bogus.
You're quite correct. It's all very Catch 22 ...
Torture is abhorrent but there would be very few 'thank you's" if that information was found to be correct ....
What a mess we've made for ourselves!