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Quick monarchy question

Why does a woman who marries a King become Queen whereas a man who marries the Queen does not?

As it appears to be the case with Camilla & Charles (if they end up marrying), and the Queen and Prince Phillip...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Why is he not King?

    As King, he would outrank the Queen, which is why husbands of Queens are generally known as Prince Consort and not as King. The wife of a King can be called Queen without this issue, since her husband would still have the higher rank.


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    http://www.lakenheath.af.mil/Jet48/discoverbritain/britain0926.htm
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    what a fucking joke ...the 21st century and we're still living in the land of once upon a time ...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Thanks for that Jim V.

    Mind you, in Spain the heir to the throne can only be male. Prince Felipe was not the first born child and yet he'll get the 'position' when King Juan Carlos dies.

    Not very pc. I wonder if Princess Elena could sue the monarchy for sexual discrimination... :D
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    ...and how come all their brothers and sisters and cousins and half cousins get to become titled spongers as well?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It's all a nice little cartel. Can't blame them for trying though- we should be blaming ourselves for not changing things.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Although Juan Carlos' contribution in holding Spain together in the aftermath of 40 years of fascist rule under Franco does give that particular monarchy significantly greater raison d'etre than the House of Windsor (which is neither British nor has contributed much more than ongoing scandal to Britain).
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Agreed. Even Spanish Republicans respect Juan Carlos and acknowledge his role in the restoration of democracy in the country.

    Plus the bloke is really down to earth. For instance he does not have a man to squeeze toothpaste on his toothbrush (unlike Charles). He also carries cash and has a habit of losing his bodyguards, jumping on his bike and going downtown for a drink or two. :D
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Its because a king is higher than a queen and those not born to be the heir to the throne cannot marry into it.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Aladdin
    Thanks for that Jim V.

    Mind you, in Spain the heir to the throne can only be male. Prince Felipe was not the first born child and yet he'll get the 'position' when King Juan Carlos dies.

    Not very pc. I wonder if Princess Elena could sue the monarchy for sexual discrimination... :D

    Its almost the same in the UK - its the eldes male who gets to become the ruler - you only get a queen if there are no male children.....
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Aladdin
    Thanks for that Jim V.

    Mind you, in Spain the heir to the throne can only be male. Prince Felipe was not the first born child and yet he'll get the 'position' when King Juan Carlos dies.

    Not very pc. I wonder if Princess Elena could sue the monarchy for sexual discrimination... :D

    I don't think the royal family can be sued because they are 'above the law' (Why the fuck are they? :mad: ) If you remember the incident awhile back where a worker at the royal mint was killed in an accident but nothing could be done because the royals cant be prosecuted.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Aladdin, another curious difference between Spanish and British monarchies that I was recently made aware of is the seeming acceptability for Spanish royals to marry commoners (as the crown prince has done recently).

    I wonder why it is that British monarchs must abdicate if marrying outside royal blood and Spanish monarchs do not?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I'd imagine that if William really wanted to marry a "commoner" and threatened to abdicate or to never take the post if he weren't allowed, the monarchy (who gets to decide anyway?) would change the rules or otherwise allow the marriage. Back in the 1930s the monarchy was much stronger. I don't think they could afford to be so cocky today.

    I know some people in Spain are not terribly chuffed with Felipe's choice but after being paired with a number of Princesses he made his choice and said 'this is who is going to be so take it or leave it'. Good on him for it. A commoner, and a divorced one at that!

    Almost as good as the prince of either Holland or Norway who last year married a single mother.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    It wasn't holland that Im aware of. They still hold to the British model according to a Dutch friend of mine (thus no commoners), but not being a Monarchist I couldn't swear by it.

    As for who makes the rules, I have always presumed that was a power of national Parliaments to establish the guidelines.

    I was thinking about Edward VIII who early last century (circa 1910 or so i believe) was forced to choose between the throne and his beloved (an American divorcee) and he chose his bride, giving way to his younger brother George VI.

    I can only suppose the rules havent been altered significantly from that day to this, but I'd be interested to hear from someone who might know.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    No I'm sure they haven't changed. There are other rules as well. I believe the King or Queen cannot be a Catholic or marry one either.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    There goes any hope of a royal union between Spain and the UK then, eh? ;)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Their loss. ;)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Too much passion for the British blood too I suppose! ;)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Aladdin
    No I'm sure they haven't changed. There are other rules as well. I believe the King or Queen cannot be a Catholic or marry one either.

    The Dutch crown-princess is/was Catholic. But to make matters easier the Catholic church acknowledged the wedding ceremony even though it was protestantic.

    Either way, I doubt that William would have to abdicate if he found a regular girl.
    All of the monarchies of Europe are experiencing a change being that the last weddings have been kind of controverse (except from the Danish one, though she has no title and comes from a regular background :p).
    Spains crownprincess is previously divorced, Norways crownprincess has a child from a previous marriage, her kid's father has had jail-sentances, her brother has been to jail some years ago, and she herseld had a fling with drugs in her younger days, then there's the Dutch crownprincess who's dad wasn't exactly a saint.
    So they have pretty much laid the ground, and as complicated as the British royalties are, I think that William is respected enough to get his way in the end.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    And you wouldn't mind a shot at his hand now would you Jacq? ;)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Not too fussy, either him or the prince of Monaco :heart:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Jacqueline the Ripper
    Spains crownprincess is previously divorced, Norways crownprincess has a child from a previous marriage, her kid's father has had jail-sentances, her brother has been to jail some years ago, and she herseld had a fling with drugs in her younger days, then there's the Dutch crownprincess who's dad wasn't exactly a saint.
    wow ...if we could change the rules a bit further ...like we elect who is royal for the next twenty year reign ...me and my family would be in with a chance.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by morrocan roll
    wow ...if we could change the rules a bit further ...like we elect who is royal for the next twenty year reign ...me and my family would be in with a chance.

    If it was based on that, you would have had a chance a long time ago.
    Common knowledge that royalties are most often cokeheads.
    Rumour has it that the Danish queens husband is gay, and has an apartment (near me actually, though I've never seen him) where he invites men for company.
    And then there's Charles who said something along the lines of "I am not going to be the first to break the tradition of having a mistress in this monarchy".
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    What do you think, would it be good if Monarchy was restored? I know this sounds like out of date but let’s think objectively. If a monarch had the real right to veto Parliament’s bills, has had their parallel military force, the police, courts? I am sure it would be a real progress.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    String 'em up I say. Fucking parasites. :mad:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by LabRat
    What do you think, would it be good if Monarchy was restored? I know this sounds like out of date but let’s think objectively. If a monarch had the real right to veto Parliament’s bills, has had their parallel military force, the police, courts? I am sure it would be a real progress.

    They have done on some occasions.
    Under WW2, the government in Denmark was highly influenced by the Danish king, who had demands on some of the people and the politics.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by LabRat
    What do you think, would it be good if Monarchy was restored? I know this sounds like out of date but let’s think objectively. If a monarch had the real right to veto Parliament’s bills, has had their parallel military force, the police, courts? I am sure it would be a real progress.

    No the monarchy is badly out of date and just represents how someone can attain power just by birthright without being elected. Personally I dont see a point in the royals now.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Aladdin
    Mind you, in Spain the heir to the throne can only be male. Prince Felipe was not the first born child and yet he'll get the 'position' when King Juan Carlos dies.

    Similar here, male child will take precendence even if he is born second. The only reason we have a quenn is because the previous monarch had no sons...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Aladdin
    Thanks for that Jim V.

    Mind you, in Spain the heir to the throne can only be male. Prince Felipe was not the first born child and yet he'll get the 'position' when King Juan Carlos dies.

    Not very pc. I wonder if Princess Elena could sue the monarchy for sexual discrimination... :D

    I thought that this was also true in the UK and the only reason we now have a Queen is because there was no direct Male heir...or am I wrong?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by byny
    I thought that this was also true in the UK and the only reason we now have a Queen is because there was no direct Male heir...or am I wrong?

    Works like that in most monarchies.
    Currently they're trying to change that rule here.
    And in Sweden, Crownprincess Victoria, was only officially teh crownprincess at the age of 5, until then her younger brother had the title of Crownprince.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Clandestine
    It wasn't holland that Im aware of. They still hold to the British model according to a Dutch friend of mine (thus no commoners), but not being a Monarchist I couldn't swear by it.

    As for who makes the rules, I have always presumed that was a power of national Parliaments to establish the guidelines.

    I was thinking about Edward VIII who early last century (circa 1910 or so i believe) was forced to choose between the throne and his beloved (an American divorcee) and he chose his bride, giving way to his younger brother George VI.

    I can only suppose the rules havent been altered significantly from that day to this, but I'd be interested to hear from someone who might know.


    i think it was cause she was a divorcee
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