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As far as I understood he was very supportive of EF, but didn't want Britain to join.
Tyhe only original policy appears to be an English parliament in the style of the devloved Welsh and Scottish assemblies and I don't think that is a good idea.
better to stop the Scots and Welsh MPs from voting on English only issues in my mind....
Why exaclty does it matter so much?
Which bank holiday of the ones we have now would you cancel?
St Georges is just an old story, it doesn't represent anything particular about England does it?
I am not bening anti-English, just think that if we are to have celbrations, holidays etc they shoudl be about something wothwhile, not just an old fairytale..........
Maybe a democracy day or a freedom day? Celbrate the Glorious revolution or the signing of the Magna Carta, something with some meaning?
I don't, and nor do most English people.....
i did not suggest for one second that St Georges day was racist......
Somehow I think you would not apply the same 'logic' and that the catalogue of atrocities committed by the US government in the last 60 years would not stop you from proclaiming your undying devotion and love for that country.
Pathetic.
have all existed in or involved Britain.
please explain to me ...an englishman, what it is even vaguely about. how does this 'saint' ...who you don't believe in ...represent me and my country?
another thing ...since your so fired up about being english and proud and wanting to celebrate it ...WHAT IS ENGLISH CULTURE?
If Rolly doesn't know what it is, no one does. He's been around a while. (No offence, just proving a point)
Let's all get the flags out, have a curry and listen to some Cliff Richard! Or eat a kebab and dance to some DnB. Or a sandwich......
No one can define English culture. People have tried and failed a million times.
And the board is only a reflection of real life. We don't all live in your cultural bubble.
Actually, alot of what the Nazis were trying to do was exactly the same or very similar to what the EU is trying to achieve.
The EU War Baby
Back in 1942, a book called "The European Community" was published. Its principal author, a Doctor of Economics, had argued in 1940 for a "Central European Union" and "European Economic Area" and for fixed exchange rates - EMU in all but name. In this book, he wrote that "No nation in Europe can achieve on its own the highest level of economic freedom which is compatible with all social requirements...The formation of very large economic areas follows a natural law of development....interstate agreements in Europe will control [economic forces generally]...There must be a readiness to subordinate one's own interests in certain cases to those of [the EC]."
One of his co-authors wrote that the "classic national economy..is dead...community of fate which is the European economy...fate and extent of European co-operation depends on a new unity economic plan". Another observed that "We have a real European Community task before us...I am convinced that this Community effort will last beyond the end of the war."
The last three words explain things. The principal author was Nazi Economics Minister and war criminal Walther Funk. The other two were respectively Nazi academic Heinrich Hunke and official Gustav Koenig. Nor were they just eccentrics. Goering's orders in 1940 were followed by a project for the "large-scale economic unification of Europe" Goebbels, in the same year, compared Germany's road to unification in the nineteenth century with Europe's in the twentieth, believing that "in fifty years' time [people] no longer think in terms of countries."
The Same Old "New Europe"?
Ribbentrop, in 1943, endorsed plans for a European confederation. Seyss-Inquart, Gauleiter of Holland, spoke of "The new Europe of solidarity and co-operation among all its people... will find...rapidly increasing prosperity once national economic boundaries are removed."
Their collaborators felt the same way. Quisling himself stated that there was no opposition between European economic co-operation and National Socialism, Vichy French Minister Jacques Benoist-Mechin that France had to "abandon nationalism...take place in European Community with honour."
In the words of Rodney Atkinson, "The European Community was therefore intended by the Nazis.... as a common cause against British...economic systems of trade and free exchange." Mr. Atkinson goes on (in his book "Europe's Full Circle") to kindly provide us (pages 92-93) with a list of parallels between "Hitler's Europe" and "Today's Europe."
- Europaische Wirtshaftsgemeinschaft
- European Economic Community
- European Currency System
- European Exchange Rate Mechanism
- Europabank (Berlin)
- European Central Bank (Frankfurt)
- European Regional Principle
- Committee of the Regions
- Common Labour Policy
- Social Chapter
- Economic and Trading Agreements
- Single Market
A few further quotes may be of interest -"The Germans alone can really organise Europe... The future will belong to the Germans when we build the House of Europe...The Anglo-Saxon economic system, the classic national economy, is dead...It is important to establish a European Single Currency core in order to stand firm against Anglo-Saxon values."
I just quoted, respectively, Goebbels, Kohl, Hunke, and (in 1996) Belgian Finance Minister Philippe Maystadt. No, I'm not just indulging in cheap jibes or insinuating that all Europhiles are closet Nazis. Obviously they don't share Hitler's racial paranoia. No doubt they see them selves as good liberal-minded democrats. However, all totalitarian regimes stand for concentrating power in central hands. They're all prone to meddle in people's private lives and pursuits and to issue directives without properly consulting a free Parliament first. In short - the Eurocrats may not be totalitarians but they are totalitarian-minded in their behaviour.
For further details, I recommend "Europe's Full Circle" by Rodney Atkinson, "The Tainted Source" by John Laughland and "Britain Held Hostage" by Lindsay Jenkins. Click for stockist details
A final thought: The Nazis used referenda to seduce power out of the hands of the people's representatives and concentrate it in the hands of a few. With the prospect of a UK referendum on the single currency and the dangers of concentrating economic powers in the hands of a virtually unaccountable European Central Bank - remember: NEVER AGAIN!
The Ominous Parallels: Nazism and the EU
The EU War Baby
Back in 1942, a book called "The European Community" was published. Its principal author, a Doctor of Economics, had argued in 1940 for a "Central European
Nothing like a good, biased article
You were the one who mentioned ancient civilisations , and Racism, communist and facist sympathisers , xenophobia, anti-semitism are all still rife in Europe.
'Cheese eating surrender monkies' is a joke you moron, its from The Simpsons. :rolleyes: (but i guess this too is a mouthpiece for the evil Mr Bush and his evil administration)
Im not denying America has done some unopleasent things, but when you place them alongside the atrocoties committed in Europe they pale.
Dont try to make out Europe as a land of milk and honey , because it certainly isnt.
Firstly, it isn't rife. And secondly, those very things are present at the same levels, and in most cases at much higher levels, practically everywhere else in the world including your beloved Britain and USA. So I take you are not proud of the former or in awe of the latter then...
Not that being a communist sympathiser should be anything regrettable anyway. I find your attempt to place communism at the same level as fascism or racism pathetic and laughable.
Europe is by no means perfect but I believe is the least imperfect place on earth to live. And to be frank in many cases with fewer instances of the issues you've listed above than Britain. So if you feel that it is okay to be 'proud' of the place you have been born then there is no reason not to be proud of the Continent where you were born and live.
Its not an offensive thing to say , it was on an exteremely popular and worldwide primetime television show for Gods sake.
It is much more widespread than you think. Germany has a huge problem with neo-Nazis.
Are you serious? Communism has caused more human misery than facism. It is an even more hate filled and unnatural form of government than facism (class warfare anyone?)
Soviet Russia and Maos China are two shining examples of what Communism acheives.
I do not consider myself European , so how could i feel proud of being a European?
Re: the monkeys. Once thing is using it within the context of a satirical cartoon, the other is when talking about what's so bad about Europe and when basically accusing a whole nation of being unworthy 'funny foreigner' cowards. Which is the only meaning the expression has had since the neo-cons started using it after the French government had the outrageous temerity to object to the US' illegal imperialistic wars on sovereign nations.
Re: communism. It has categorically failed to improve the lives of the people who have been under it, but the ideal of communism is a noble one. Whereas the ideal of racism and fascism is simply an inhuman abomination that cannot be justified or tolerated in any circumstances.
Re: other problems. Germany might have a problem with neo-Nazism. Britain has more of a problem with xenophobia, prejudice and even racism than many other nations in Europe. To try to depict Europe as one undesirable place ridden by social unrest (while presumably Britain and the US are a harmony of tolerance and equality) is complete and utter bollocks and could not be further than the truth.
Can you name a single place on earth with nearly as good living and social standards as Europe?
we could take it back further ...to the holy roman empire ...
Sure - Japan, Canade , NZ , Australia, the US , SOuth Korea.
No it isnt , class warfare , violent revolution , dictatorship of the proletariat. There is nothing noble about the state seizing private possessions.
To depict Europe as a land of milk and honey is also utter bollocks , many East European countries are exteremely poor (thanks to communism i might add) and countries like Spain, Portugal and Sicily have a long way to go to catch up with the rest of Europe.
And dont forget the Balkans - mass genocide on the Eu's doorstep , which was eventually stopped by the Amricans.
About a million times more noble than the ultra greed, fuck everyone else in the name of my own benefit, ugly, selfish concept of free market capitalism.
You don't quite know what you're saying are you?
In which way exactly does Spain for instance have to catch up with the rest of Europe? Have you had a look lately at their infrastructure, public services, welfare and health, social fabric, quality of life? If you did you might find yourself wanting to move. Not as if you weren't in desperate need of broading your horizons anyway... :rolleyes:
So?
Jesus fucking christ, you really are insane. THERE IS NOTHING NOBLE ABOUT CLASS WARFARE AND VIOLENT REVOLUTION, its a million times more 'ugly' than capitalism. Free market capitalism is about individual, private freedoms, but i guess this doesnt matter.
Personal freedom be damned eh? As long as the workers have their revolution. :rolleyes:
Dont forget the EU itself is a capitalist club, why do you support it?
Sure as hell do, Spain Portugal and Greece have GDP's more associated with third world nations than the decadent EU.
Your un-fucking-believeable. You go on about the EUs place in the world as 'the new superpower' of 'counterweight to america' and how this noble organisation is the most just and peaceful society on Earth, but then when peopel start slaughtering each other 300 miles or so from its fucking borders they sit backand do NOTHING.
Moral cowards, unwilling to do anything without a UN mandate , even if it means saving millions of lives.
Pathetic.
Ive been to many countries, and West is Best.
I don't see what all the fuss is about really.
yes i'm english. no i'm not ashamed to be english.
will you answer a question and explain yourself just this once ...
national pride leads down the road to superiority ...envy and even war.
statements about the the northern hemisphere as opposed to the southern are complete ignorance of other values and ideas about how to live on this planet ...or maybe not ignorance ...just targeted bigotry. anything to fuel further hate and ignorance.
If it was gay pride, black pride etc, you may think it is stupid to celebrate being what you are. Well, in my opinion, having a St. George's Day parade is the same.
The bottom line is: communism is not nice but is not in the same league as fascism and racism, which are a hundred trillion times worse. I can think of many things worse than communism if we're to embark into a "which country is best/worst" contest...
That is completely missing the point beyond belief.
Not the same as "pride" though is it?
*titters*
This stemant is very wrong, try looking up the World Bank income classifications, all these cpountries I do believe are in the high income band........