English Democrats

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Hello,

I had a flyer come through my door about a party which i could finally say i agree with. A non-racist party aimed at promoting English culture as i feel as a nation we are becoming over-multiculturalised, not that multiculturalism is a bad thing it just seems that we are losing our national identity as English people. I guess you could say they were similar to the UKIP with a more English stance, I think they are worth a vote in Englands current climate. what does everyone else tink?

check them out http://www.englishdemocrats.org.uk

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Nope. 'They are like UKIP with more english stance' So they want to chuck off the Scots the Welsh and The Irish do they :rolleyes:

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thats a stupid way of putting it, im sure people from wales and scotland dont consider themselves british, so it seems only fair that they should have their own national status by having their own governments represent them.

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Whatever would the Scots and Welsh do without the English taxpayer.

I cant wait to see certain individual's replys to this thread.

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Originally posted by EssexBoy
thats a stupid way of putting it, im sure people from wales and scotland dont consider themselves british, so it seems only fair that they should have their own national status by having their own governments represent them.

That is very untrue. Most Scottish and Welsh consider themselves British.

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Originally posted by minimi38
That is very untrue. Most Scottish and Welsh consider themselves British.

I think thats just your opinon you ask any decent Scot and they will tell you they are Scottish not British.

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Originally posted by EssexBoy
I think thats just your opinon you ask any decent Scot and they will tell you they are Scottish not British.

So is a 'decent' Scot defined as someone who sees themselves as Scottish rather than British?

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Originally posted by EssexBoy
I think thats just your opinon you ask any decent Scot and they will tell you they are Scottish not British.

I would say I am welsh, but I know that I am also British.

Im sure the English always say they are British though dont they? :rolleyes:

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Originally posted by Renzokuken
Im sure the English always say they are British though dont they? :rolleyes:

*Raises hand*

I do!

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They see themselves as Scottish and British. A Texan considers him/herself A Texan first, then American. A Basque considers his/herself A Basque aswell as Spanish.

The Scottish recognise fat too many benefits of being British not to consider themselves British.

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Originally posted by minimi38
They see themselves as Scottish and British. A Texan considers him/herself A Texan first, then American. A Basque considers his/herself A Basque aswell as Spanish.

The Scottish recognise fat too many benefits of being British not to consider themselves British.

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Originally posted by minimi38
They see themselves as Scottish and British. A Texan considers him/herself A Texan first, then American. A Basque considers his/herself A Basque aswell as Spanish.

The Scottish recognise fat too many benefits of being British not to consider themselves British.

To draw a parralel if people from Texas consider themselves Texans then that is exactly why American states have their own individual laws to recognise the particular identity of that group. By having seperate national governments we can focus on the needs of our own countries rather than being dominated as a group. That is exactly the reason the EDP supports the SNP and Welsh National Party.

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Originally posted by minimi38
They see themselves as Scottish and British. A Texan considers him/herself A Texan first, then American. A Basque considers his/herself A Basque aswell as Spanish.

You know all of these people do you?

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has ireland scotland and wales been removed from the 'british' isles then?

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I'm proud to be English. I'm proud to be British. I'm proud to be European. Therefore I shall vote for parties (if I could ) that will represent my pride

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Originally posted by TheShyBoyInTheCorner
I'm proud to be English. I'm proud to be British. I'm proud to be European. Therefore I shall vote for parties (if I could ) that will represent my pride

i've never understood how someone can be proud of something they had no say or control over.

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Thats right, if there is room for Plaid Cymru and the SNP/SSP, it makes sense to have an English version. The Welsh and Scottish MPs have been instrumental in securing better deals for their regions than the English get, just look at Education and top-up fees.

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Originally posted by BlackArab
Thats right, if there is room for Plaid Cymru and the SNP/SSP, it makes sense to have an English version. The Welsh and Scottish MPs have been instrumental in securing better deals for their regions than the English get, just look at Education and top-up fees.

I beleive the Welsh are stuck with top up fees too

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Originally posted by morrocan roll
i've never understood how someone can be proud of something they had no say or control over.

To some extent you're right. On the other, you can be proud of your heritage, and their struggles in order for you to be alive and being able to write that online. Pretty simple.

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Originally posted by lukesh
I'm proud to be English, british but certainly not European. Whats to be proud of?

The fact that we're the most stabile region, with the most stabile economy.

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Originally posted by lukesh
I'm proud to be English, british but certainly not European. Whats to be proud of?

Why be proud to be British? What is there to be proud of?

Stop saying random statements.

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Originally posted by lukesh
I'm proud to be English, british but certainly not European. Whats to be proud of?

The most socially advanced, just and free continent on earth? Ancient civilisations, breathtaking history, legacy, heritage? Stunningly beautiful and diverse nations, cultures and languages?

I'm not a fan of being proud of accidents of birth, but if you believe in the concept of being proud of the place where you are born for whatever reason there is as much reason to be proud of your Continent as of your country.

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The most socially advanced, just and free continent on earth? Ancient civilisations, breathtaking history, legacy, heritage? Stunningly beautiful and diverse nations, cultures and languages?

2 World Wars? Millions upon millions slaughtered because of race, religion etc. , colonialisation , the slave trade , the holocaust , the crusades, empires , bloody wars , the common agricultural policy, cowardly governments , appeasers, cheese eating surrender monkies, communism , nazism, totalitarianism, racism, anti-semitism etc..?

Europe isnt that great.

I certainly would not consider myself European , and I dont think the vast majority of British people would.

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Originally posted by Aladdin
The most socially advanced, just and free continent on earth? Ancient civilisations, breathtaking history, legacy, heritage? Stunningly beautiful and diverse nations, cultures and languages?

Racist

Jaded

Even with the smilies, that was uncalled for and not the slightest bit funny. Would you lot please stop antagonising each other!!!

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Originally posted by lukesh
An obvious thing to be proud of Britian is because I was born here. The people are great, the country is great, it's a great nation. Wouldn't want to be born anywhere else!

I was born in Europe, the people are great, it's a great continent. I wouldn't want to be born anywhere else.

Stop playing the WWII card. Try telling that to the veterans who died next to Indian, Jamaican, Australian soldiers.

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Originally posted by lukesh
Too right! I bet you won't get the British war vetrens in Normandy calling them selves European!

stupid boy ...the dream ...the vision of a united europe was born from these mens suffering. 1st and second world wars meant two generations of young people had slaughtered each other in a very short space of time. the european wars before these two are many and often for a kings vanity. the dream of a united europe was to try and avoid this kind of suffering again.
here we go ...hitlers dream will get a mention ...

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I was born in Europe, the people are great, it's a great continent. I wouldn't want to be born anywhere else.

I was born in the Northern Hemisphere, the people are great, it's a great Hemisphere. I wouldn't want to be born anywhere else.

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'Over wide areas a vast quivering mass of tormented, hungry, care-worn and bewildered human beings gape at the ruins of their cities and homes, and scan the dark horizons for the approach of some new peril, tyranny or terror........ to re-create the European family, or as much of it as we can, and provide it with a structure under which it can dwell in peace, in safety, and in freedom. We must build a kind of United States of Europe.'

'I am now going to say something that will astonish you. The first step in the re-creation of the European family must be a partnership between France and Germany. In this way only can France recover the moral leadership of Europe. There can be no revival of Europe without a spiritually great France and a spiritually great Germany. The structure of the United States of Europe, if well and truly built, will be such as to make the material strength of a single state less important. Small nations will count as much as large ones and gain their honour by their contribution to the common cause'.

Winston Churchill, 19th September 1946

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Originally posted by ladymuck
I was born in the Northern Hemisphere, the people are great, it's a great Hemisphere. I wouldn't want to be born anywhere else.

What? Even the Asian bits?

And what DID Churchill mean then, lukesh?

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Originally posted by lukesh
to us get along with each other, united, not in this united states of europe that is being imposed. cause this would cause a world war 3.

Didn't churchill mention a 'United States of Europe'