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BNP Supporting Teacher Suspended

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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by BeckyBoo
    Links please to show me where this man has promoted racism.

    He's standing for the BNP. If you don't think thats promoting racism, you're more naive than I gave you credit for.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by xicoperez
    Do you have any proof that the BNP are racist?

    Do you know anything about the far right in the UK?

    http://www.searchlightmagazine.com/stopthebnp/index.php?location=link3
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Blagsta
    He's standing for the BNP. If you don't think thats promoting racism, you're more naive than I gave you credit for.

    You said he had promoted racism, im asking you for proof that he has.
    In all honesty I was also being slightly sarcastic because I replied with the same thing as you often do, which is dont write stuff if you cannot back it up with links. ;)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by BeckyBoo
    You said he had promoted racism, im asking you for proof that he has.

    He is promoting the BNP's policies, therefore he is promoting racism.
    Originally posted by BeckyBoo
    In all honesty I was also being slightly sarcastic because I replied with the same thing as you often do, which is dont write stuff if you cannot back it up with links. ;)

    Fairynuff :)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by lukesh
    how do you know? Proove it!

    How do I know he's promoting BNP policies? Well he's a BNP electroral candidate. That might give me a clue...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by lukesh
    It is a racist party buy you don't seem to grasp the problem why they are getting votes. You turn a blind eye like the government.

    I've explained why I think they're getting votes on another thread.
    You dismissed it out of hand.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Have you read the thread?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Argggghhh! :mad: :mad:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Lukesh is right about what? :confused:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by xicoperez
    How can such a large group of people still refer to the Soviet Union and other Stalinist or Maoist countries as Communists? All you have to do is study the basics of the political theory and then study how each country was run and you'll see the enourmous differences. Those countries were oligarchies, more like feudalism than communism. Communists did not kill 20 milion people.
    How nice. So they just pretended to be communists. And ‘basics of political theory’ explain that communists are good boys.
    What a miracle! All communist regimes in all communist countries were not real communists although they named themselves communists and followed teaching of communist theorists like Marx. Maybe things are much simpler and it’s YOU who doesn’t understand ‘basics of political theory’?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    1. Everybody has the right to believe in any crap they wishes and promote it among anybody including children. Nobody here doesn’t deny their right to promote socialism although it is much uglier than racism.
    2. Any owner of any busyness including private schools has the right to fire anybody he wishes for any reason or without a reason at all.
    3. Government-owned schools have no right to fire nor hire nor teach anybody.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by LabRat
    1. Everybody has the right to believe in any crap they wishes and promote it among anybody including children. Nobody here doesn’t deny their right to promote socialism although it is much uglier than racism.
    Brain-washing or incitement of hatred cannot be imposed on children. As for socialism being uglier than racism... don't make me laugh. There is nothing uglier than racism... with the possible exception of the libertarian bullshit you sprout.

    2. Any owner of any busyness including private schools has the right to fire anybody he wishes for any reason or without a reason at all.
    No they can't. Check out work legislation.

    3. Government-owned schools have no right to fire nor hire nor teach anybody.
    Bullshit.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Aladdin
    Brain-washing cannot be imposed on children.
    What is the difference between brain-washing and state education?
    Originally posted by Aladdin
    As for socialism being uglier than racism... don't make me laugh.
    Have you seen those pictures from Daily Mirror?
    British socialism in action.
    Originally posted by Aladdin
    No they can't. Check out work legislation.
    Hah! Legislation!
    Brain-washed sheep only believe that every crap invented by govt is Law.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by xicoperez
    How can such a large group of people still refer to the Soviet Union and other Stalinist or Maoist countries as Communists? All you have to do is study the basics of the political theory and then study how each country was run and you'll see the enourmous differences. Those countries were oligarchies, more like feudalism than communism. Communists did not kill 20 milion people.

    How convenient.

    Every single Communist country in the world isn't actually Communist at all, because it doesn't fit in with the ideals that Communism espouses.

    Simple fact is that for Communism to work everyone has to agree to it. They don't, so you have to force them to agree to it. There cannot be dissenters in a Communist society, so they get shoved off to the salt mines.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by BeckyBoo
    Links please to show me where this man has promoted racism.
    Will this do?

    Would like to know if he's been suspended on full pay, though...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Blagsta
    I agree. If he kept his views to himself, then no problem. But the very fact of standing as a BNP candidate is making these views public and in fact trying to spread them. And that is in conflict with doing his job.

    I think that publically supporting a racist and homophobic party has great issues for a teacher's ability, for more reasons that one.

    A black or gay child could not confide in this teacher after he has now come out and supported a party which declares it's desire to see repatriation of all non-British people (whatever the fuck that means).
    The teacher now does not have any control of the classroom- even if he is fair and honest, he is now not impartial and any kid who is hard done by him will use it against him. If you have weakness, especially one as glaring as supporting a racist party, then you have no control of the classroom- the first black or Asian kid who gets a bad mark in maths will be shouting at all and sundry that "sir did it cos he hates blacks!"

    I think the only thing I find distasteful about the whole thing is that it would only ever apply to the BNP, and not other dangerously extremist parties such as the various Communist ones. It will have to become consistently applied- if a teacher stands as a Communist he or she should be suspended and lose their jobs, because if you are arguing for the violent overthrow of the state it is not right that you are a) teaching the children of the state and b) drawing a wage from the state.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Good link Uncle Joe, can't say I'm surprised.

    Though, as always, I find the attitude of the Trade Union disgusting in the extreme. You can only be a member if you agree with their leadership's views- pathetic. Especially as if he was teaching his kids to hate rich people, and that a violent overthrow of the state was A Good Thing, then NASUWT would be standing right next to him.

    Though my opinion of Trade Unionists is somewhere on a par with racist bigots who dent the holocaust. They should be a match made in heaven.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    There is a lot of posts, so I havent had a chance to read them all but I can give people a little back ground on solihull.
    The ex G/F lived there and she was "racist" the amount of times I had to bite my tongue when her mother called someone a packie was desturbing and I didnt see any non-white people ANYWHERE. Everyone in the community hates Birmingham, due to its ethnic make up and it is the perfect breeding ground for the BNP.

    Its a really weird place.......... :eek2:

    Bopz

    Oh to semi-conclude, thought I may be very wrong. It is unlikly that a black or gay child would be in the class in the first place, the parents in the local area probably agree with the teacher and even though the BNP is bad, I don't think he should have been suspended.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by lukesh
    can i point something out... if someone is born in pakistan, they are a Paki arn't they? Because I was born in england and I'm english...

    :eek2:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by lukesh
    can i point something out... if someone is born in pakistan, they are a Paki arn't they? Because I was born in england and I'm english...

    You realise the term Paki is an offensive one!

    Yes they would be Pakistani.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by LabRat
    United States is the same communist concentration camp as United Kingdom and New Zealand.

    Your grasp on reality is tenous, to say the least.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Kermit
    I think the only thing I find distasteful about the whole thing is that it would only ever apply to the BNP, and not other dangerously extremist parties such as the various Communist ones. It will have to become consistently applied- if a teacher stands as a Communist he or she should be suspended and lose their jobs, because if you are arguing for the violent overthrow of the state it is not right that you are a) teaching the children of the state and b) drawing a wage from the state.

    This is nonsense, as communist views do not have anything to do with the children themselves, whereas racist views do.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Kermit
    Though my opinion of Trade Unionists is somewhere on a par with racist bigots who dent the holocaust. They should be a match made in heaven.

    If it wasn't for trade unions, we'd all be working 16 hour days for pittance.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by lukesh
    can i point something out... if someone is born in pakistan, they are a Paki arn't they? Because I was born in england and I'm english...

    You really are a dick aren't you?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by lukesh
    your opinion.

    but it's right though.


    Jesus Christ! You're not for real are you?
    If you think its OK to use the word paki and that it isn't insulting, I suggest you go to Southall and use it.
    But I'm not coming to visit you in hospital.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by lukesh
    lol but they are a Paki though... if they are born in pakistan they are a Paki.

    Do you ever get punched?
    You deserve it. :mad: :mad:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    hmm technically if i was spanish id be calling a black person 'negro' because that is spanish word for black

    every race gets slang words done for it by other races, it isnt even a real difference and theres nothing to do with it but you notice it and noticable differences seperate groups its natural human behaviour

    ie i get called gora in my town cause im white and my area is majority asian, so they can get away with, of course i wuldnt say paki, even if im with pakistani friend and they use it amongst themselves, and they do, cause well itd be like me using the n word in front of black friends, unless i was in a group that thought they were rappers from da ghetto obviously,

    so to conclude, we all get it, and shuldnt ideally get it as i dont use that language, i use half cast cause i was brought up with it for mixed black white people, and my best mate uses it cause his parents brought him up on it, but we shuldnt use it
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Blagsta
    If it wasn't for trade unions, we'd all be working 16 hour days for pittance.

    That of course depends on how skilled you are, and how valuable you are to a company. Free market economics, innit?

    Though, of course, I hate to point out that those professions with the strongest trade unions- teachers, nurses, doctors and the fire brigade- appear to work 16 hour days for a pittance, whereas many others with less forceful trade unions don't. Weird that one.

    If it wasn't for the destruction of trade union militancy we'd still be at work three days out of five (with the accordant drop in salary), we'd have lower-rate income tax pushing 40%, and we've have the TV being shut down at 10pm. Such is life.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Kermit
    That of course depends on how skilled you are, and how valuable you are to a company. Free market economics, innit?

    Free market economics is responsible for shit wages and conditions. Unions are responsible for decent pay and conditions.
    Originally posted by Kermit
    Though, of course, I hate to point out that those professions with the strongest trade unions- teachers, nurses, doctors and the fire brigade- appear to work 16 hour days for a pittance, whereas many others with less forceful trade unions don't. Weird that one.

    Errrr...I think thats to with them being public sector jobs, not the unions.
    Originally posted by Kermit
    If it wasn't for the destruction of trade union militancy we'd still be at work three days out of five (with the accordant drop in salary), we'd have lower-rate income tax pushing 40%, and we've have the TV being shut down at 10pm. Such is life.

    A 3 day week would be fine by me. Taxes are set by government, not unions and I think the telly shutting at 10pm (when did this happen btw? :confused: I remember the telly close down at midnightish in the 70's and early 80's) has nothing to do with unions either.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    If someone is from Pakistan they are a Pakistani, the term used above is an insult and is racist.

    I'm going to give its use the benefit of the doubt this once because the person involved seems to be too uncaring or unintelligent to realise that they being revoltingly offensive.

    The use of deliberately offensive terms justified in such a pathetic way will result in a ban.
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