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Right does the bible condone Gays or not? Ive heard it doesnt and was told the bible doesnt condone it but ive also heard it doesnt condone the rape but actually being gay is fine. Does anyone have any quotes or know anything about this? Any help would be appreciated.
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the old and new testaments both condemn men lying with men and the new testament condemns women doing the same with each other. if i can i'll dig out some passages for you.
i've never been able to understand why gay people want to be a part of something that condems them ...
Thanks Rolly.
That's bad new for me. Ive said that I believe the bit that I heard about them shunning rape but not actual gays.
Please someone tell me im right!
Um... tricky one.
Most of it's down to translation, annoyingly enough.
The Bible speaks about gays in Leviticus, and my version, the Good News Version, simply says "God hates that", which, when you think of an all-loving being, really doesn't add up.
However, the King James Version says "that is detestable" which I personally translate as "some people might not like it"
I'm of the belief that homosexuality is not something you develop, but something you're born with. The Bible is forever preaching about tollerance of others, and nowhere does it say that you should think less of people because they have a disability, or dark skin for example, so I don't see why being gay would be a problem.
Gays in Christianity is an incredibly sensitive area, just look at all the Hell that's been raised iwith Canon John, or more recently in America.
I believe in God, and I believe in Jesus. I believe He came down and died for my sins, so that if I believe in him I can go to Heaven when I die, and not die, but live an eternal life. That makes me a Christian. If you believe that, then you're a Christian too, it's all written in John 3:16-18. I find it so upsetting when two Christians can't agree on one simple thing: that's the qualification you need, nothing else really matters. Be good and believe, you'll get there!
i think you want to look that up in a dictionary
if i remember rightly from my rampantly catholic RE teacher, being actively gay is a sin.
i'm pretty sure lusting after your own sex is a sin too, but not positive.
Or something like that.
People disagree about how far the Bible condemns gays. As Skateside says, it's very much about translation. I explained in the gay marriage thread that the Greek word used in the NT that is usually translated as homosexual may have meant prostitute or some other things that I have forgotten...
The thing about the Bible condemning rape not homosexuality probably comes from some people's interpretations of the story of Sodom and Gomorrah. (Genesis 19) Many people would argue that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because of the inhospitality of the citizens, and that rape was the cause; it would have happened had the rape been homosexual or heterosexual.
Finally However, the argument against this is that it comes in a set of purity laws that Jesus rejected (Mark 7:18-23). People argue that since Jesus came to cleanse us of our sin the old purity laws no longer apply (hence Christians do not eat Kosher meat).
Hope that's vaguely sensible!
Picc.
xxx
P.S. All references are NIV, if anyone's interested...
Yep. Just shows up religion for what it is, really.
Shame someone missed out the "thou shalt not fiddle with thou choirboys"
I used to know this group of Young Christians (biggest load of wankers you'll meet) and the hypocrisy was unreal. I think they're all neds now
And if you read on it will say that "its the things that come out of people that make them unclean. all these evil things begin inside, in the heart, evil thought sexual sins, stealing....
So yea it does not say anywhere in the bilbe where it condones gays. sorry.
Which is why i hate the church, i dnt hate god anymore, i dnt hate religion, i am still a christian kinda...but i just dont practise it in the same way as others.
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Shoulda got Sky Plus then, eh?
I heard that. It just confirms how complex the whole thing is. The important thing, Vicky, is that most Christians (except The Westboro Baptist Church) accept that God loves everyone unconditionally. We are all sinners no more or less than each other and if homosexuality is a sin it will be forgiven.
As Skateside said, the only qualification to be a Christian is to love God. And who says gay people can't do that? (Other than Fred Phelps :rolleyes: )
the bible says that those who repent of their sins, in other words stop practising those sins and come clean ...will be saved. theres a born again christian attitude that preaches ...all you have to do is to beklieve in de lord man and you will be saved! but to believe is to change worldly thinking and follow the teachings of christ and his apostles. you can't carry on being a thief and or murderer and expect to be forgiven. you would expect to be forgiven had you changed your ways though. to believe is surely to practice what you have learned ...what has made you a changed man/woman.
found one vicky ...1st corinthianschptr 6 verse 9.
SPOT ON ZELLA
Also, is there any one here who is a Johovas (sp?) Witness and their view on my question of gay people? Do they have the same quote as somebody mentioned about not being able to lust after a woman?
faith in the promises of life IF ...you adhere to the teachings?
*takes a bow*
It took me a while to figure this out.
I do believe but im not sure if i have faith.
Think that means they don't get into heaven, therefore they are 'wicked' etc and wrong.