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soham murder trail begins ...

Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
call me cynical but ...the twp people charged with the murders have never been in trouble before and ...how long have they had them locked up already? lots of time to get lots of evidence presumably.
plus a copper on the case is a child porn merchant? not on the case any longer obviously.
something about this case just doesn't add up.
be interesting how it unfolds.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Soham murder? Dammit I try to watch the news every day but somehow I miss everything.. can you explain whats going on for me please?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Zella
    Soham murder? Dammit I try to watch the news every day but somehow I miss everything.. can you explain whats going on for me please?

    This is about the two girls who were found dead in Cambridgeshire last year. The two pwopl on trial worked at the school, one is charged with murder and the other (his girlfriend) with attempting to pervert the course of justice.

    I'm not a cynical as Mr Roll, but this case does seem to have been hanging around for a while now...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Man Of Kent

    I'm not a cynical as Mr Roll, but this case does seem to have been hanging around for a while now...
    It has always been planned to take place in Autumn.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I just dont see them getting a fair trial, with all the media that has been out.

    If I was charged with something like this I think I'd ask to have the hearing infront of a pannel of judges, if you can do that.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    i dont really think you'd get a choice tho would you?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    As long as we don't get any lynch-mob monkeys demonstrating outside...
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    If this is the case im thinking of, with those two girls, Jessica and somthing, that got abducted by the caretaker. Then there is bound to be a mob outside.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Re: soham murder trial begins ...
    Originally posted by morrocan roll

    plus a copper on the case is a child porn merchant? not on the case any longer obviously.

    He was cleared of all charges a few months back -

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cambridgeshire/3166561.stm
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    There is definitely a 'presumed guilty' kind of vibe before the trial has even started, but at the end of the day the jury will decide and the media and protest mobs won't have a say in the outcome.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Are you assuming that NONE of the members of the jury will remember any of the media coverage of the case what so ever?

    That they wont let it colour their judgement, not even slightly? I really dont think that is possible.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I got this quote off the think of the children site

    We want the law changed to make it illegal to murder children and bury them in woodland.

    i was sure that it already was illegal to KILL

    We want it to be made illegal for adults to work with children

    well there goes our schools, doctors, nurses, childminders, .......

    Stupid stupid people!
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    That 'thinkofthechildren' site is fantastic, and so dam near the truth its almost a bit scary. A bit like the Brass Eye. I love the fact that got branded 'The sickest ever program' by the Sun on the front page. I dont think they quite got the point.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by bongbudda

    That they wont let it colour their judgement, not even slightly? I really dont think that is possible.

    That must depend on the evidence submitted, surely ?

    If there is sufficient evidence to give a Not Guilty verdict then im sure that the jury will do that.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    :blush::blush::blush::blush:

    whoops.............i emailed them.
    But you do really get people as stupid as them cos A pedeatrision(sp) got mobbed because they didnt know the difference between a pedaphile and a pedeatrision.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Theres no justice like angry mob justice.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by bongbudda
    Theres no justice like angry mob justice.

    I do not think everyone is as angry as before, now I think people want justice.
    If the prosecution has enough evidence then the result should be the right one.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I don't believe anyone actually forgot about this, it was all over the tv, radio, papers for a month. Did you know some sick bastard arranged bus tours into Soham? All the locals just wanted to be left alone, Diana syndrome :rolleyes:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    "If there is sufficient evidence to give a Not Guilty verdict then im sure that the jury will do that."

    Thats an interesting way of putting it, shouldnt it be, if there is enough evidence to convict them they will, its innocent till proven otherwise, well in most cases anyway (see my other post)
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by bongbudda
    Are you assuming that NONE of the members of the jury will remember any of the media coverage of the case what so ever?

    That they wont let it colour their judgement, not even slightly? I really dont think that is possible.

    Well obviously they will remember it, but you're never going to stop the media going mental over issues when they feel the need to. I would like to think that the jury would be able to put that out of their mind and come up with a verdict based on facts.
    I wouldn't have thought the jury are going to get chased down the street by the protest mob if they come back with a not guilty verdict, the prosecution and police will be the ones getting an ear full.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Just wanted to bring this back up again.

    Ive been reading some of the stuff in the papers and tbh I think by the sounds of what I have read they are going to have lots of evidence to convict him.

    What does anyone else think ?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by BeckyBoo
    Just wanted to bring this back up again.

    Ive been reading some of the stuff in the papers and tbh I think by the sounds of what I have read they are going to have lots of evidence to convict him.

    What does anyone else think ?
    it's certainly looking that way.
    he doesn't seem to have put much effort into hiding the evidence does he.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Have the parents been there every day ? That must be awful for them to have to go through all the events, for them to hear some of the evidence and see the person charged within feet from them (well any parents who have to sit through a court case of this nature).
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I just simply wish the papers wouldn't give us a day-by-day, front page fucking running commentary of the trial for the duration.

    Here we go again with the press' favourite obsession in the world.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Aladdin

    Here we go again with the press' favourite obsession in the world.

    So would you rather not know whats been happening ?

    I like to read for myself whats actually gone off in court. I know the press can publish untruths sometimes, but surely in court cases they can only print things which have actually been said ?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    There certainly seems to be a lot of evidence to find them guilty.

    I still want to know how the bodies were so badly decomposed a cause of death couldn't be found...is it just cos they were burnt or is there something else that i've missed?

    I don't think it should be quite as much in the papers as it is. Or at least not as obvioulsy and as much. It can't be nice for the parents of the girls and do we all really want to know as much as we're being told. It isn't down to us if they're guilty, why should we be so nosey in the case?
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by BeckyBoo
    So would you rather not know whats been happening ?

    I like to read for myself whats actually gone off in court. I know the press can publish untruths sometimes, but surely in court cases they can only print things which have actually been said ?

    I don't have a problem with the press reporting a case court. By law they have to give impartial reporting, and I'm not suggesting they're doing otherwise (although one could say they like to concentrate on some statements more than others).

    But I might have a problem with the "Earth, stop rotating now! The outside world does no longer exist! The trial of a man accused of murdering two (white, Home Counties) girls is on, and therefore nothing else matters in the world! Let's give it a full front page treatment every day, caring about nothing else, and report every last detail revealed for as long as the trial takes!"

    Two girls were murdered. It is a terrible tragedy. And so is that child who was run down at a zebra crossing. Or that other child that was knifed to death. But don't expect their cases to be reported incessantly on the front pages of every tabloid and most broadsheets for weeks on end... They weren't murdered by (possibly) a paedophile, so no much interest there from our fair and balanced press :rolleyes:
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I see what you are saying but im still pleased that i can read what is happening. How many times have people in this forum said "dont make judgement until you know the facts" which yes thats correct, lets see what information we have before we judge.
    So now with us actually hearing some of the evidence it gives us an insight to what did actually happen.
    So basing on what I have read I think he will go down, they have enough evidence to say he was there and he murdered them in my opinion.
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    Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,323 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I agree with that; what has emerged so far seems to indicate it.
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