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Taking the f*cking piss!
BillieTheBot
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I'm sorry for yet another thread on this issue, the subject has been debated many times before and will be debated again, but the continuing outrage makes my blood fucking boil!! :mad: :mad:
Not only does Israel go ahead with the next phase of their Nazi Apartheid Wall,
making "life" :rolleyes: in occupied Palestine an even more humiliating and harrowing struggle,
but now the Israeli government, far from removing the illegal tumour-like settlements, approves the construction of 550 new illegal homes in Palestinian land!
What will it take for fuck’s sake!, what will it take for the international community to put a stop to this disgraceful, shameful, revolting destruction of a people! How many UN resolutions, how many US "threats" to stop military and financial aid, how much international condemnation are we going to produce before this monstrosity is stopped once and for all!
How on earth can anyone expect the Palestinians to settle for any sort of peace when they are being told their country will forever look like this:
If there was ever a case for regime change, if there was ever a case for direct intervention to end the suffering of a people, if there was ever an argument for removing a brutal despot from power, this is it!
If we have one vestige left of humanity and decency left in us we must make this repulsively evil man and his government remove their infernal settlements and Nazi/Apartheid Wall once and for all. And end this historical atrocity that degrades and disgraces us all. :mad:
Not only does Israel go ahead with the next phase of their Nazi Apartheid Wall,
making "life" :rolleyes: in occupied Palestine an even more humiliating and harrowing struggle,
but now the Israeli government, far from removing the illegal tumour-like settlements, approves the construction of 550 new illegal homes in Palestinian land!
What will it take for fuck’s sake!, what will it take for the international community to put a stop to this disgraceful, shameful, revolting destruction of a people! How many UN resolutions, how many US "threats" to stop military and financial aid, how much international condemnation are we going to produce before this monstrosity is stopped once and for all!
How on earth can anyone expect the Palestinians to settle for any sort of peace when they are being told their country will forever look like this:
If there was ever a case for regime change, if there was ever a case for direct intervention to end the suffering of a people, if there was ever an argument for removing a brutal despot from power, this is it!
If we have one vestige left of humanity and decency left in us we must make this repulsively evil man and his government remove their infernal settlements and Nazi/Apartheid Wall once and for all. And end this historical atrocity that degrades and disgraces us all. :mad:
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You may wish to call it self defence, but it is merely a contrivance for a permanent land grab which has always been the intractible agenda of Sharon and his hardline cronies.
An outright invasion would go too far, but enough pressure can be brought to bear without adding yet more attacks from our forces into this already bloody cauldron of hate.
The first and best step would be to cut off all US funding to Israel and cease all weapons transfers.
No. Full military intervention is always the very last resort, and one that I would very rarely approve of for in most cases they cause more death than good. In emergency cases (such as Rwanda last decade when 1,000,000 people were killed in the space of 2 weeks) then yes, the full works.
But what I would support is a total and complete boycott and isolation of Israel at every level possible until the government agrees to its obligation, dismantles every last illegal settlement, removes the Wall and every last roadblock and withdraws fully and permanently from Palestine. That is the key to the very conflict. The rest (return for refugees, the division of Jerusalem, statehood) can be negotiated for the best possible agreement for both parties.
And until the Israeli government fulfils this, everything short of a full intervention should be done. A full financial, diplomatic and cultural boycott. Economic sanctions. Withdrawal of all military aid. International isolation a la South Africa during Apartheid. And if it comes to it, like Clan said, no-fly zones imposed by fighter patrols, internal destabilisation of the current government and support of opposition groups. And for all I care, a reward of $25,000,000 to anyone who removes Sharon from power if he still refuses.
But then I don't believe for a second it would come to that. It wouldn't even come to imposing no-fly patrols. Cut off the financial and military aid, internationally isolate Israel and impose economic sanctions and Sharon would comply within weeks. He would have little option, unless he's prepared to see the country starve. And at the end of the day what is being asked is not even unreasonable. It's simply what's right.
So the entire responsibility of peace is on the shoulders of Israel? The Palestinians shouldnt have to do anything to contribute?
Why are you associating apartheid with National Socialism? South Africa fought AGAINST the Axis Powers and for the Allies, on the side of the UK and America. Did you notice? Jesus, sigh. . . .
>>>The first and best step would be to cut off all US funding to Israel and cease all weapons transfers.
Anti-Semitiwitz! Herr Clandestine wants to shove the Jews in ovens!!
>>>What will it take for fuck’s sake!, what will it take for the international community to put a stop to this disgraceful, shameful, revolting destruction of a people!
Where did you come up with the ridiculous notion that such standards apply to the Chosen(TM)?
Given the hardline agenda setting of US Middle East Policy (regardless of adminstration) by AIPAC, it's highly unlikely any viable measures ever would be taken.
But you cannot expect anyone to negotiate an agreement with you while you have him pinned to the ground, with your boot over their head and kicking him in the balls at regular intervals. You have to stop kicking him and let him get up so you can both sit down on a table and negotiate a deal.
If you believe that you are truly deranged.
and the bombs need to stop going off amongst israeli civilians too.
I had a discussion with a friend yesterday, hes quite a pro palestinian and was saying the usual things, along with how he can understand why the palestinians resort to suicide bombs and the like...What I want to know is why people cant understand why the israelis resort to their unpleasant tactics...Israelis are people too, they react badly when they see their children being killed, just as the palestinians do.
When the palestinians commit a horrific crime, people can understand why they did it..When israel commits a horrific crime, they are just evil people intent on domination..
Both sides need to sort this mess out, it cant be left to israel to sort out..If that happens then they will simply withdraw from communications and feel persecuted...If that happens......
I agree that sanctions or serious threats of sanctions should be imposed, but on both of them, not just the Israelis.
he said the world had to know that if israel went down they were capable and willing to make sure they take the rest of us with them ...
in the guardian within the last three weeks.
An Israeli general eh?
Why would they target rome?
Give me a name and/or link and i will ask the general
If they wanted to use nuclear blackmail, there are better targets than rome.
It doesnt make sense to me.
EDIT - found it..
http://books.guardian.co.uk/extracts/story/0,6761,1046646,00.html
The general didnt say it, a professor at the hebrew university posed a hypothetical.
Some Israelis want the whole of the land for themselves as some Palestinians demand the eradication of Israel.
Etc etc.
The bombs and the atrocities must stop. And so on. But there is something everyone must understand. These are not two equal groups arguing over a piece or land. This is a case of one overwhelming, immensely powerful country asphyxiating a starving, isolated, oppressed and hopeless people within an inch of their very existence. That is completely unacceptable and absolutely out of any negotiation or bargaining. The oppression must stop and the land illegally occupied vacated fully and permanently before any negotiation can take place.
Let me put it this way. If you had a running dispute with your next-door neighbour about the garden fence or an overgrown tree, would you find it acceptable if your neighbour kidnapped your sister, tortured her and kept her in his cellar as a bargaining chip while negotiating a settlement? Of course you wouldn't.
The oppression and occupation must stop on the Israelis side and the bombs must stop on the Palestinian side.
I might find it acceptable if i was doing exactly the same thing to my neighbour.
how did you find it that quick?
But the key to all of this is that the Israelis have never indicated that they would remove the settlements if all hostilities were ended. On the contrary. Even when the Roadmap to Nowhere was in full swing and both sides were talking about achieving piece, Sharon was telling the Americans and everyone else he had no intention whatsoever of dismantling the existing settlements so everyone could piss off with such suggestions.
That is the key to it. The Israelis don't want to give it back. They are demanding that in exchange for their military withdrawal and perhaps one day :rolleyes: recognition of a Palestinian sovereign Estate, the Palestinians stop all resistance. But that's all they pretend to concede. They actually want the Palestinians to settle for 'peace' with the broken, ever-shrinking land that remains today.
So what concessions would the Israelis actually be making???
The Palestinian Authority has made it clear that they would recognise the right of Israel to exist if the move was reciprocal. Even radical groups like Hamas are actually pragmatic and have signalled that they would drop all their talk of driving Israel to the sea if Palestine is given the right to exist. But if Israel is not even prepared to do what is right and lawful and remove the illegal settlements from land that isn't theirs, is anyone really surprised that the Palestinians don't want to make peace? Would you? Would anybody?
Perhaps if Israel were to promise what they haven't promised once in its life, to remove the illegal settlements as part of a peace process, you would see the Palestinians willing to make peace. But why should they as things stand? What is it in for them?
Yes, but thankfully its merely a statement of possible fact by a professor rather than a statement of fact by a general of the israeli army. The professor is entitled to his opinion but lets not take it as official Israeli policy.
Well then, thats what the threat of or active sanctions are for. Israel gets their aid and support withdrawn unless they agree and make a start on withdrawing to the 47 borders and dismantling the settlements...
and Palestine gets their aid and support withdrawn unless they stop the suicide bombers.
but then, i dont know why we are even considering any of this..There will never be peace while sharon and arafat are around..Both of them need to be removed from their respective nations..None of this stepping down but controlling the country from backstage..Total removal.
No, i actually meant '49
The problem is that 'Israeli' crimes are commited by a govt elected and accountable to the citizens of Israel.
Palestinian crimes are commited by unaccountable terrorists, many with links to foreign nations. The govt of palestine does not have the monopoly of power necessary to prevent these organisations from acting.
So who should make the first move?
How is that different to wanting to go back to pre '67 borders?
Incidentally, they are exactly the same...The 1949 armistice line defined the borders right up until the 6 day war...
Basically I would want to see the borders returned to these.
Besides, what we think has no bearing on what actually happens.
Regardless, both are actions precipitated by the crimes of the other. I can understand why the palestinians resort to suicide bombs but i can also understand why israel resorts to its distasteful tactics.
Who should make the first move? Presumably the ones who are getting beaten in this 'war'..2500 Palestinians to 800 Israelis was the last count I saw..with no gains made by the Palestinians and no sign, despite increased media attention and discussion, that anything will actually be done about their situation.
Palestine needs to change tactics, and soon.
How is it possible for 'the palestinians' to stop the suicide bombings when the majority have no say over those that do it?
When we talk of N.Ireland we do talk about 'the catholics' we talk about the IRA because they are the ones who commit the crimes.
Why should the Palestinian people be punished for the failure to act of an extremist minority?
Im sorry but i do not believe that the palestinian people and their government could not put a stop to the terrorist attacks if they wanted to. Bear in mind that they would only be stopping once both sides had agreed to this and presumably the palestinians would have motivation to try and stop the bombers..
We know that the terrorists are a tiny minority so why would it be so hard for the vast, vast majority of decent palestinians to stop these few?
Do you blame the Catholic population of N.Ireland for the failure of the IRA to hand in its guns?
Surely the vast majority of N.Ireland catholics could force them to do so?
Secondly, you are missing the point im trying to make..Currently the palestinian people have no motivation to stop the terrorists..As has been said, Israel isnt going to make the concessions they want so whats the point in trying to stop the bombers...
If Israel were doing what the palestinian people wanted, and the bombers kept bombing and endangering everything, i have no doubt that the palestinian people would put an end to them.