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I have no idea. I'm not a criminal psychologist. But what I am saying is that dismissing these people as "monsters" is a good way of making sure that nothing gets done about it.
You wrote "and if he is out in 2 years time do you think we will have any insight as to why he did it or how we can stop others from doing it?" which is inferring that thats exactly what KoolCat did mean.
Well why try entering a debate if you dont know
Im telling you what I think we should do then all you can reply with is the monster thing again. Thats gone, dead and buried in my eyes, we aint going to agree on that so whats the point in keep going back over that issue?
The reason I said the above about 2 years is because thats what he will serve and im saying in 2 years your gonna be nowhere near getting into a mind of someone like this :banghead:
Also even if you did get into the mind of someone like this I dont think they should ever be released.
So I think I have explained myself here, lets have your opinion instead of keep having a go at mine and trying to pull me down with every reply I make.
Thank you
I give up.
OK, we'll agree to disagree.
Yeah, whatever :rolleyes:
I was agreeing with your last post and saying that I would leave the agument. I was trying to be civil. You seem to have a problem with that. Why?
I didnt think this was arguing, its all about debating. If I was arguing I would be :mad: now, but im not , im
Anyway shall we just leave it now, let people discuss things if they want to.
The man is disgusting
The sentance is disgusting..
I just hope that the psychologists are right and he doesnt reoffend.
It seems that a lot of people in this country are moving away from the idea of punishment entirely. Fuck rehabilitation, prison is supposed to be punishment for your crime and is supposed to keep you away from the rest of the population.
This man should be locked away from the world for the rest of his natural life.
Debate yes, I chose my words unwisely. But yes, lets leave it. Unless I think you're talking crap again.
Which im sure you will do
But I think that at the same time, we need to look more generally into why these crimes are happening, rather than just dismissing them as monsters. That just makes us give up on the chance that there might be something we can do about it to prevent it in the future. And this doesn't mean I want to be lenient on the ones who are doing it right now. They deserve a punishment that fits the crime.
I'm not sure I'm wording myself right here. I know what I want to say, but it's not coming out right.
He is not an animal. To describe him as such is unfair to animals. He is a despicable human being.
The problem with cases like these is that people get fair too emotional, and this is where bias sets in. To demand that capital punishment be brought back to deal with this sort of person is a ridiculous statement: we live in a society that has deemed capital punishment as an unsatisfactory punishment.
This man is still of some worth to society, he is not a complete dead loss. During and after his punishment, it will be possible to get use out of him. There will be ways of finding out why he did this, how to stop him doing it again, and how to prevent others from commiting similar ill deeds.
I cannot believe how evil people can be. A 13 month old baby girl. She probably won't be able to have babies of her own. She was probably screaming in pain the whole way through, wanting her mummy or daddy to save her, as this vile beast was enjoying himself, taking his photos. This will have an effect on her for the rest of her life. Her parents will have to sit her down one day and explain that she lost her virginity as a baby, to a man who raped her and who was only given five years, by a judge, a professional who is supposed to use his position to protect society, and victims of the crimes he deals with. This innocent child has been given a far more serious sentence than this...thing could ever get.
My emotions are indeed getting in the way of my logic, but I do not apologise for that.
and quite rightly too. Of course emotions fly, its a natural thing in my opinion.
I often talk about my Daughter so when I see crimes which involve children I admit I do get highly strung, but does that make me a bad person? I could never imagine how someone could hurt a baby in the way which he has, to rape a baby has to be one of the most serious crimes in the book.
So we all do seem to agree the sentence was ludicrous so what I want to ask now is :
With getting such a short sentence could this case be looked at again ? Can the parents of this baby appeal against that decision and take it to higher people and let them look at the case again?
Sorry im not very knowledgable on this but I suspect a few other people have limited knowledge like myself.
it is the judges worth as a judge that i am questioning.
what is wrong with refering to a human as a monster ...a pig ...and evil bastard?
we've all seen horror movies ...this guy proves that reality is far scarier ...there realy are monsterous humans out there. we recently had a vampire in north wales cutting out the heart of an old lady. a self confessed vampire.
the judge should be removed from his position of responsibility for making such an incorrect judgement. this wasn't some little mistake. this wasn't some minor error of judgement. this was gross failure of duty to the public who pay for his very privaledged lifestyle.
jeffry archer got four years for telling lies for fucks sake!
So yes it can be appealed against......thank god.
I really do feel for children like that, and their familys.
I know, poor bairn
Maybe more knowledge would be helpful in sentencing.
Five years really isn't long enough - people get five years for fraud - not really comparable crimes are they?
But I mean prevent it all, from happening in the first place. I suppose we could prevent those already convicted from re-offending, but how? Because human rights do need to be upheld!
I suppose it's like a cycle, in that some people who are abused as a child themselves, grow up and then do it to children.
Stress of working constant nightshift to provide for his family............well thats the best excuse ive ever heard.
Deleted the link because it wont work. It was takn from BBC News Channel.
This link ?
I know, dreadful isnt it.
How many people across the country work nightshifts? How many rape babies in their spare time? Not many.
Its also scary to see that this "man" capable of such a hideous crime, appears so normal to outsiders. Father of 3, married, construction worker. Not some seedy 60 yr old bachelor who lures children with lollipops.
I will never understand how someone can try and justify raping a baby, photographing it for his own gratification and at the same time assaulting a 6 year old child, who will remember what has been done to her. Then saying it was cos of stress :no:
How do you differentiate between the two?
Further, paedophilia is a sexual crime, having a drug addicition isnt and therefore the latter has no basis as a justification for conning desperate people (who may largely be normal consulting heterosexuals) into permanently surrendering their reproductive rights.
This shouldnt be too difficult to figure out really.
One is situation is an authoritarian con and bribe as a supposed solution to a much more complex problem and the other is a judicial punishment for a sexual crime of heinous proportions.
Drug addicts abuse drugs and become a serious danger to themselves and others whilst under the influence of drugs. How do you know that there is no greater chance of "recovering" from paedophilic tendencies as there is of "recovering" from a drug addiction?
What if this baby had be killed by a drug addict, would you be so lenient on drug addicts?
Where did I say physical castration?
Drug addiction is still very much a heinous crime and affects a great deal more people.
That is only how the stuation stands at this moment in time. What if the State were to decide to sterilise convicted drug abusers as part of their punishment?