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American Hypocrisy
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I just have to say that America think that they can just go about doing whatever they like. They have just recently added terrorist groups from Northern Ireland to their wee list of people who are a threat. They are the people who have killed many innocent people and started many wars. They have so much problems in their own country but yet they just forget about them and interfere in other peoples business. Wise up America when is this going to end?
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You say that they are interfering but its the Irish terrorists who are operating and fund raising in the USA, not the other way round.
The average american thinks that their country is a shining example of truth and honesty, that they are the "white hats". And this includes the smart ones.
Even with Israel/Palestine and India/Pakistan folling their example they can't see that it is wrong.
Ho hum
People from the rest of the world? Dont you think thats a little far fetched? One group flew planes into their buildings. I dont like some of Chinas policys but I dont fly planes into Chinese civilian centres.
You cannot say that people are so pissed at the US that they all want to kill them...One tiny, tiny minority wanted to do that to the USA.
Please name one nation that has done more humanitarian work than the USA...You want them to stay out of other countries affairs...Would you also be willing to see their VAST aid payments removed as well? Youd have a fuck of a lot more starving people and wars than you do now.
Americans hypocrisy? How about the hypocrisy of people like you...You have a go at the US for being scum but youre perfectly happy to take their money...
not at all, but then I have a mathematical background and "people from the rest of the world" is not equivalent to "the people of the rest of the world".
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Very few of China's policies affect those outside the area that China claims as its own. However, if the Himilayans were to start doing it I would see their justification. I wouldn't agree with it.
Of course, if America doesn't like your policies, it'll drop bombs on you. But that's alright, because ?
And of course, China is big enough to actually have a go back, so America plays a very different game. Remeber the spy plane? Why isn't America driving the unwanted Chinese from Taiwan?
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quite a bit more than a tiny majority were pleased to see it happen. Unfortunately.
If the price of them keeping out of world affairs was for them to stop their targeted and conditional aid then it probably would be a fair price to pay.
Of course to claim that this aid is conditional on being allowed to intervene is itself a huge hypocrisy in itself.
I do object to being accused of "have[ing] a go at the US for being scum", when I do no such thing. They are far from perfect, but there are many further yet, and not many closer.
Sounds like an out of control case of jealousy... and penis-envy. Perhaps you should discuss it with your analyst...
just because America might not be everyones flavour of the month, thats no excuse to do that sort of thing
an eye for an eye leaves everybody blind - Ghandi
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I do believe that America is a hypocritical country partly based on the way it exploits the third world through capitalism, throwng them into sweatshops and trading ith them, paying them poorly. Of course it's the same through most, if not all western countries. Nestle usd Thai consumers as guinea pigs for their new GM products....hardly fair...
So western counties interfier with and exploit other countries, but then complain if other countries interfier with their buiness. I know that what Bin Laen did was VERY wrong...but let us not forget the atrocities of Vietnam, the Europeans moving into America and the terrble things they did to the natives.
Nobody is completely innocent.
And youre happy to speak on behalf of the starving millions of this world? Speak from your cushy UK home...I suspect that if you ask the millions of people the US feeds then the answer might be a little different than from someone as fortunate as yourself.
On the other hand, ask someone on the other end of American foreign policy, and they'll no doubt tell you that almost any number of starving people is preferable to being bombed over oil positioning.
So what have we discovered?
"self-interest"
As someone neither reliant on American aid, nor vulnerable to America, I am in a better position to make a judgement than either group.
However, it is still only yourself that is insisting on this aid / intervention link, how do you feel for making it a requiremnet that for thestarving to get aid we must allow America uncritised freedom to bully as it sees fit.
And try to come up with a decent response this time.
You stated it was a fair price to pay. I merely pointed out that you cannot judge what is a fair price to pay for someone who relies on US aid. I doubt youve faced starvation in your life, i sure havent. Obviously you arent literally speaking for the starving of this world but you make the assumption that you know whats best for them.
Never have I said there was any kind of link between the aid and the intervention. That was your claim. I asked would you be willing to see them remove their aid as well.
Having said that, I dont doubt the two are linked. You touched on it in your post, self interest. Why should the US provide billions of dollars a year of aid while receiving nothing in return? The goodness of their heart? Please. No country in this world does anything for purely selfless reasons. America is no different.
I will say that the current aid situation might not be the best thing for TSOTW - as a short term measure it may be appropriate, but population reduction, relocation may be a better long term solution. I am not in a position to say, but then again neither are TSOTW,
my emphasis, your link. I can't add much to the nonsense you wrote because that is part of the contract with it's people, "we tax you, but we are charitable in your names"? Britain used to; it also tended to do things that it thought were the "right" thing, which were horribly wrong.
Carriage Return
So I know about hunger, NO YOU DON'T, live off the land, you wouldn't have a clue.
I know about Charity, NO YOU DON'T
I know about state extortion. NO YOU DON'T
peacethingy
Youve managed to get totally off topic and turn your entire post toward arguing against my posting style rather than my arguments..
Impressive.
They criticise other countries for every single bloody little thing then do exactly the same themselves.
Take ethnic cleansing around the world, most recently serbia. They go in guns blazing forgetting about how until recently in world terms they had one of the largest slave trades in the world, until we started sinking all their ships.
Ah, I'm too tired and annoyed to come up with a decent argument, fuck it.
I also think you will find that the US did very little slave trading compared to us and the Spanish. We were the ones that took the slaves to America, they were just the end users.
Also, its unfair to talk about the US in world terms relating to time. Theyve not been around for very long. They ended slavery in their country after 100 years, it took us a hell of a lot longer.
I'm tired, drunk and need sex. Bully someone else you....bully.
Anyway, America sucks ass, thats all I care about. They are a bigger, crapper version of what the European Union will become in a few years. America is essentially a collection of 52 odd different countries, with different laws e.t.c. with one currency in an attempt to make themselves into a something resembling a nation.
Rubbish
Go back to sleep you bloody drunkard <IMG alt="image" SRC="wink.gif" border="0"> <IMG alt="image" SRC="biggrin.gif" border="0">
Happy new year btw.
Europe:A collection of 12 countries, all with different laws and languages. Different cultures and different ways of doing things, all trying to unite under one flag, one currency and maybe one language.
America:A collection of 52 countries, all with different laws, many with different languages, ever heard a southerner talking about a negro?? They have different cultures, different ways of doing things. They currently masquareade as one country.
Theres 15 EU nations btw. One language? LOL.
Theres little difference between the US states. Local laws and ordinances may differ but the important stuff is pretty much dictated by fed.gov. With the exception of Spanish these days, the Americans all speak the same language..Dont quite understand your southern US reference, the southern US is one of the most racially tolerant areas in the US.
Your logic can also be applied to just about every country on earth. Every country has local councils and the like. Our county system could be classed as seperate countries all masquerading as one country. Accents and dialects differ massively. Each county has its own local government, its own local laws, its own police force.
Same can be said for the regions of France, Germany, Italy, Austrlia, China, Russia and all the other countries in the world that are larger than a ten pence coin.
Uh, no... The USA comprises 50 states: 48 in the main corpus plus Alaska and Hawaii. Unless you wanted to count all nations on the continent, but that still doesn't total 52.
No, I think the ultimate hypocrisy to be found in the USA is this:
First Amendment to the Constitution:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
And yet the Supreme Court ruled that freedom of religon is not a protected right. Moreover, the standard-issue oaths of alliegance and so on all invoke "God."
The real hypocrisy is that America claims to allow freedom of thought and yet allows itself to be dominated by the WASPs and the upper echelons of the government (GWB, specifically) would like to strip atheists of their citizenship.
Given that this list exists How do YOU know otherwise, peacechild? These are things I know about, I don't say these are things I know all about.
I am assuming that you weren't being deliberately offensive.
I wasnt aware of that supreme court ruling. Can you gimme a link so i can read about it? Wouldnt surprise me though, theyve violated their constitution so many times its impossible to count.
I dont quite see how the army or police pledging allegience while invoking God is any way hypocritical. If you arent Christian then you dont have to invoke Gods name. Can you explain just how this goes against anything said in the 1st amendment?
LOL, source please.
Unlike some, I do NOT suffer from individual cowardice and insecurity sufficient that I would wish every man to be shackled into submission... leave THAT for the sheep. I would rather live in a nation where ALL are armed, and then mouthy little punks would not/could not subjugate everyone else to their perversion of "freedom" immune from responsibility for their actions/words. A red herring... typical "debating" style...
Naw, Balddog. The arrogant sot would prefer that we had refused to come to your aid in WW2, so that you would all now be speaking German. US did NOT win that war alone; neither would UK have survived w/o us. Pushed REAL hard for repayment of debt, haven't we??? <IMG alt="image" SRC="wink.gif" border="0">
Britain selfless??? Altruistic??? ROTFLMFAO!!! Are you so hopelessly full of yourself that you cannot concieve that stripping colonies of the wealth has been the CAUSE of rebellion against British rule, for centuries? No one comes COMPLETELY clean in THAT wash, least of all Britain.
If the US were so damned imperial in its foreign policy, we would have pumped BILLIONS of barrels of oil out of Mexico to repay the debt that they have renigged upon. We could forclose that country, IN A HEARTBEAT! We OWN them! What do we do? We allow millions of illegak aliens every year to cross into the US and drain our economy by supporting them.
Reality is so unpalatable, and delusions ever so more delicious, right? <IMG alt="image" SRC="rolleyes.gif" border="0">
OO-RAH!!! Africans sold other Africans to British and Spanish, then they were transported to America in trade for the wealth here. So WHO was so opportunistic? We carried on (for a realitively short time) the practice that Britain dumped upon us. {Not directed @ Balddog... 'tis not HE who suffers from the cranial suppository...}
Reality IS such a bitch, ain't it? Why confuse your self induced delusional stupor with reality? <IMG alt="image" SRC="wink.gif" border="0">
The US was founded with the belief of freedom OF religious belief, not a state enforced coercion AGAINST the expression of religious belief. The athiests have the upper hand when it is illegal to have a Christmas tree in a public place...
WTF do you get the delusion that athiest would be/could be stripped of citizenship???
Sorry to pack it ALL into one bundle, but I actually have a life away from here, and besides, didn't want to fluff the old post count, don't you know? <IMG alt="image" SRC="wink.gif" border="0">
Would "You only like guns because your little peashooter fires blanks" have been better?
I think the Americans got a fair return, rocket, turbine and nuclear sciences; military bases and cola bottling plants throughout Europe; don't look to me to defend England. I was only saying that some of the things we did were out of the goodness of our hearts, and that those tended to be some of the worst things that we did.
Anyway can you tell me about
Bush's "faith based" initiative funneling tax monies to religious charities?
-- George Bush
Sorry, my mistake: the "W" was of my invention, so it could have been father or son.