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Originally posted by Greenhat Like the concerted pressure on Iraq?
Originally posted by Jacqueline the Ripper Charming, how everyone attempts to to do the finances of the US.
I think people will listen to you, once you pay tax there.
Originally posted by Simbelyne He can't even suggest? Charming how you pronounce the Iraeis are saints. Maybe people will start listening to you when you go and live in the Palestinian refugee camps.
Originally posted by Jacqueline the Ripper Maybe people would start listening to you, when you've been in the near of a suicide attack, shooting, stonethrowing or something like that :rolleyes:
Originally posted by Aladdin
Talking about what we know about the region, perhaps you have been giving non-military issues a miss, but the Israeli economy is in dire straits. The tourism industry has collapsed and there is an ongoing boycott of Israeli products in many parts of the world. The one thing Israel needs now is economic aid. Sometime simple solutions are the best ones.
Originally posted by Greenhat Get that history book out an look at the times when Israel did not have US aid. You seem to think what you describe above is something new. It isn't.
Originally posted by Jacqueline the Ripper Did Israel get US aid before '67?
Originally posted by Simbelyne Who cares? What matters is now. Now the US funds Israel and until that finishes there is a clear conflict of interest. Its like Bernie Ecclestone funding New Labour.
Originally posted by Jacqueline the Ripper I care. And I got the answer to my question.
Why is it a conflict of interests, when the two countries are battling against the same thing?
Originally posted by Jacqueline the Ripper Do you think that Palestinians don't aid from the US?
Amzes me, that they're in the shit state they're in, when everyone is pumping money into them.
Originally posted by Simbelyne (in the form of Israeli missiles, bombs and bullets yes)
Originally posted by Aladdin Pardon the comparison, but do you think that if the residents of a Nazi concentration camp had been "pumped with money" it would have made their lives any easier?
Originally posted by Clandestine The blacks under Apartheid were not herded and confined into squalid ghettos of cities and walled in like concentration camps with soldiers, tanks and apache helicopters shelling, rocketing and shooting at them on a daily basis however violently they were treated by the police forces in Pretoria.
Originally posted by Clandestine As for being surrounded by enemies, well that is another of the long running excuses (along with the age old guilt tactic contained in the "eternal victim" syndrome we all are fed heaps of by the Israeli leadership and the press. Fact is that at the state level there is little or no viable threat to Israel from its neighbours. Especially when one considers the powerhouse backing Israel.
You call Palestinian attacks indisciminate and yet do not extend the same judgement to Israel who's indiscriminate attacks on Palestinians occur with much greater frequency and much greater devastation to life and property throughout Gaza and the West Bank.
Id like to see how pacifist youd be in the shoes of a Palestinian who has seen his family and friends slaughtered, starved, and denied any means of retaining human dignity in the virtual prison environment that has been imposed upon them.
So long as people in the West choose to condemn Palestinians for fighting back against an illegal occupation and allow Israel to dictate negotiation conditions to their own lopsided advantage I suspect we'll never see an end to the conflict.
This is why I do not believe the Bush admin's roadmap will lead anywhere. Already Sharon has dismissed portions of it
this US administration has shown how ready it is to cater to Sharon's demands and pre-conditions. To think it can be an impartial intermediary is laughable.
Originally posted by Man Of Kent
So you've completely missed my point. What the West sees is one act of aggression answered by another, the Palestinians fail to sieze the high moral ground and thus lose support. Their tactics are seen, rightly or wrongly, as terrorist in their very nature and this doesn't sit well in the Western Media. As this is what the media report, this is the view that the western populations get.
Believe me, the day that a thousand Palestinians sit down in the road peacefully, and are still shot at will be there day that their power base rises dramatically. All the while they respond by bombing restaurants/buses/wedding receptions etc they will never get the support that their cause deserves.