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What you had was responsible parents, in many cases this isn't the case
WHICH IS THE WHOLE FUCKING POINT.
No-one is suggesting that responsible parents should be prosecuted for the behaviour of their children. How many times does that have to be said?
Poverty does not cause irresponsibility - it is an excuse. Believe it or not, people have been poor for a long time and yet juvenile crime increases...
let me try and spell it out for you:
IF YOU MAKE <STRONG>NO ATTEMPT</STRONG> TO TEACH YOUR CHILDREN RIGHT FROM WRONG THEN YOU SHOULD BE HELD PARTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR SUBSEQUENT ACTIONS.
Children aren't <STRONG>born</STRONG> responsible, they learn it. They don't attend school until they are five, by which time they can be little shits if you don't teach then that such behaviour is unnacceptable.
Apart from the parent, who else is responsible for the care of a child until school age?
Childminders, nannies, au-pairs, other members of the family...
I think the main point is that these children have no respect for their parents, and as they are the main adult figures in their lives, they project that onto other adults - such as teachers, police, etc. Once they work out that the law cannot touch them, it's not going to increase their respect for them, as they can get away with doing whatever they want. Children do need to learn the meaning of the word 'no' from an early age, and that they can't do what they want and get away with it, and be punished when they do something wrong... like bunking off school for example.
...who all fall under the direct responsiblity of the parents. If a parent passes the child onto someone else and accepts no responsibility for what that person does to their child, then I would regard that as negligence.
Having an au pair to take your children to school, or cook dinner is no excuse for not controlling your kids.
[Not that having an au pair is automatically negligent - I know you have had au pairs yourself, and there is nothing inherently wrong with that]
Each of those are carers, it doesn't make them responsible for that child. The parent still retains responsibilty - eg who chooses the carer?
Let me ask the usual question. Apart from the parents, who is resposible for making sure that a child attends school?
If the parents make no effort to ensure attendance, what should happen? Should there be any remedy against them?
At what point should the state intervene, to ensure that a child recieves an education? Or shouldn't they intervene at all?
Its very easy to criticise Toadborg, but I've yet to read any suggestion on how you would improve the situation...
Its a case of either a carrot or a stick for the children themselves. I believe in one place they give the kids shopping vouchers for good attendance, that would be a good carrot...
A stick (apart from the fact they don't get an education <IMG SRC="rolleyes.gif" border="0" ALT="icon"> )could be a curfew but it would be difficult to regulate, surely you can think of something more appropriate then this?
AHEM - I AGREE WITH YOU! PARENTS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR CHILDRENS BEHAVIOUR CAN I STOP SHOUTING NOW!!!
I was just saying that it's not fair to bring Teenage parents into the discussion because 'bad' parenting can happen in all family units!
Lets cast aside the teen/single parent thing and concentrate on the issue...
Parents are the main influence on their childrens attitudes, beliefs and self worth... Whatever a teacher, au pair, etc does to 'teach' a child is always affected by the overwhelming influence of the parent so therefore parents ARE responsible for the behaviour of their children!