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If the germans had had the foresight to give their soldiers WINTER clothing I believe they culd have won. Russia was almost gone when Moscow, Leningrad and Stalingrad were attacked, ror one if the 6th army had been better supplied then they would have taken Stalingrad easily - complete air superiority could not be exploited because of this and if the german soldiers around Leningrad/Moscow had not started freezing to death their morale may have been a bit higher and subsequent fighting ability increased.
greenfields.
Why would Saddam want to do that?
Why did Hitler want to attack the USSR?
You continue to attempt to use reason to come up with motivations for a madman.
I've read a number of accounts of Nebachaneezer, but I'm not Hussein, I don't pretend to guess how he will react to the world or to his belief in his destiny.
Saddam has qualified as a maniac by both his actions and psychological analysis. The same as Hitler.
Why do I get into these discussions with amatuers?
Take Moscow, Stalingrad and Leningrad and you haven't conquered Russia, never mind the Soviet Union. How long could those forces have stayed there? How long could they have held in the face of manpower from the East? All such victories do is make the war longer and bloodier.
I think the implication is that Stalin would have to negotiate for peace with Hitler, even if only temporary. Yes, a lot of population was east of the Urals, but most of the manufacturing wasn't (until he moved it there). All the men in the world wouldn't do much good without equipment.
Probably a moot point anyway because Hitler probably couldn't have overcome the manufacturing capability of the US anyway.
People just don't regard Saddam as unstable. Ruthless, yes. Unstable, no. What they do regard as unstable is Iraq and the surrounding regions, after Bush has installed his own government of choice in Baghdad. There's madness in Dubya's method.
Stalemate, as I suggested before. The best possibility that Hitler could have achieved...
Against the Iraqi people? No. Against the Iraqi military? Yes.
And do you have a solution?
No. A little research into the Persian Gulf War will illustrate how possible it is.
The military will be the ones either annihilated in their fox holes or attempting to surrender. :rolleyes:
Ah, yes, Clandestine. Once again illustrating your "great knowledge" with your ignorance.
The PGW didn't produce the sanctions. Saddam Hussein did. And continues to do so. Isn't it strange that everyone claims there is no proof that he has WMD, but he won't bother to insure that is proven so sanctions can be lifted?
Iraq wasn't exactly an advanced nation regardless, now was it? And how much of that infrastructure had any civilian purpose? Do you know? Or do you just continue with your sarcastic bullshit?
As for DU, might do a little research. Depleted Uranium is actually less radioactive than natural occuring uranium (of which there is a good chance you have a significant amount in your front yard). DU is heavy, really heavy, so it doesn't get windblown. So exactly how did DU become an issue in birth defects hundreds of kilometers from where it was used? Ever wonder if Sarin Gas was more likely to be a culprit?
As for infrastructure, we had and still have a habit of bombing power, water, and transport infrastructure, all of which are indeed pertinent to the civil society.
Before labelling anyone ignorant check your own claims Greenie (oft made without any supporting reference whatsoever).
Uranium in my front garden?
None of the neighbors are what might be considered massively developed nations, Clandestine. Considering the tribal lifestyle is still very heavily practiced throughout the region, that really shouldn't be any surprise.
Power? How necessary is it to a mixture of nomad and agricultural society (the bulk of Iraq)?
Water? Funny thing. We didn't bomb wells, and those are what the majority of the rural population rely on for their water supply. Iraq is one of those countries where the bulk of the urban population can quickly return to the rural environment and live adequately.
Transport? We destroyed mostly military vehicles, and armed vehicles attempting to leave Kuwait. What do you suggest we did to transport? Cratered roads?
I've already put references up on DU, Clandestine. You obviously ignored them.
Yes, Toadborg, Uranium in your front yard. Not a big deal. Common uranium is a fairly common element. Everything is radioactive. Not just Uranium and Plutonium.
I should have payaed more attention in my physics classes........:rolleyes:
Greenhat, your continual tendency to answer questions with questions shows that you (as people have pointed out) fail to use actual factual evidence to support your view. The fact your justifying declaring war with, "Hitler did this, so Sadam might" is absurd. Do you seriously think the governments of USA and Britain would use this as their sole reason to fund this conflict? - Time for you to see the bigger picture and stop arguing the validity of the fabricated government cause.
greenfields.
http://i-cias.com/e.o/baghdad.htm
Transport referring predominantly to bridges and roads...
Interesting and inciteful analysis of the level of destruction from the PWG...
http://www.thebulletin.org/issues/1991/s91/s91lopez.html
excerpt:
on DU shells:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1118590.stm
numerous links to DU case issues:
http://www.iacenter.org/depleted/du.htm
from the Gulf War veterans own site:
http://www.gulfweb.org/doc_show.cfm?ID=771
From all ive been able to read on the matter, the argument typically advanced by the Pentagon to play down the associated long term damage caused in both Iraq and Bosnia from our use of DU shells ignores the element of, albeit, low lever radioctive particles into the air (which can travel considerable distances depending on prevailing winds and other meteorological conditions. These particles can easily penetrate the skin and lungs into the blood stream leading to increased cancer and birth defects.
http://www.llrc.org/du/dupage.htm
And from an independent investigative analysis of areas where DU shells were known to have been fired...
http://www.llrc.org/rat/subrat/rat422.htm
That should give those with any inclination enough to read for a while. It would be nice Greenie, as pointed out before, if you would substantiate your rebuttals with more than your personal opinion.
I see. So you believe that you do have the ability to predict what a madman will do. Well, we should just step aside and let you run the world with your crystal ball. :rolleyes:
Btw, Clandestine, I already posted links to the Red Cross, the UN, the EC, NATO, DoD and independent physicists about DU. Now maybe you consider your "sources" more valid than actual scientific study. I don't.
http://www.studentsforwar.org/hitler2.htm
And "students for war"??? As a legitimate source of comparative analysis??? Come now Greenie, what happened to your arguments that no rational person wants war??? :rolleyes:
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/02/23/1045935272620.html
http://hnn.us/comments/8408.html
Not too difficult to find some more intellectually credible and substantive anlysis into the all too oft simplifications of the WWII analogy propoganda.
I would have thought you Greenie, of all people, would expect something more substantive and insightful than the rubbish you linked us to above. Go figure, eh?
Guess you don't understand the empirical method, do you?
How much food could you buy with $2-billion? Just asking.:p
Answer: 23,331,985 (July 2001 est.) given a population growth rate of almost 3%/yr that might make the current pop somewhere closer to 24 million give or take a few hundred thousand allowing for death rates.
Now lets presume for sake of argument that roughly 5% are outside the sphere of deprivation given the sanctions. That leaves close to 23 million at risk.
Now how far does 2 billion Dollars go to providing food, adequate housing, medicine, hospital care, etc. for so many?
Now again for sake of argument let us say that only half that number are in perilous circumstances, that leaves roghly 11 million.
We still have under 200 dollars per person. Even in the middle East that amount wont provide sustained relief for those who are infirm or in need of ongoing medical treatment and continued nourishment.
Essentially the sanctions have only hurt the civilians which our politicians are so quick to use as the sentimental banner for their warmongering. Saddam or no Saddam, these santions should be removed for the sake of the people if our leaders' magnanimity is to be credible.
Well, lets, see. $10 for 50 kilograms of rice...
So, how about 10 billion kilograms of rice.