Saw the proof about Iraq.

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Or so you have been lead to believe. Interesting that these so called "admission" videos were just conveniently found left lying around this or that hut. You really should question more what the media is being fed by our government intelligence sources, the archives of Washington are repleat with video footage and documentation on OBL which could easily be contrived into whatever they wish to pin on him.

As if we dont have the most sophisticated graphics production and editing equipment at the disposal of the CIA or NSA.

To date, Al Qaeda has never formally claimed resposnisbility for the WTC attacks and that alone should be the starting point for anyone interested in how fundamentalist extremists operate.

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But they did formally claim responsibility for both the Embassy attacks and the attack on the USS Cole. :cool:

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Indeed, which makes it all the more suspect that someone(s) else was/were behind the WTC. Fundamentalists do not avoid claiming responsibility for their acts since to them its a heroic struggle against the Great Satan.

But of course you wish to refrain from ever questioning the cover story so this point of discussion with you is moot.

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Originally posted by Clandestine
Indeed, which makes it all the more suspect that someone(s) else was/were behind the WTC. Fundamentalists do not avoid claiming responsibility for their acts since to them its a heroic struffle against the Great Satan.

Ah, yes...the great expert on terrorists.... LMAO

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Not a great expert but have done research into the rise of terrorism in the course of my career , yes. Thanks for the accolade though!

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Originally posted by Clandestine
Not a great expert but have done research into the rise of terrorism in the course of my career , yes. Thanks for the accolade though!

Perhaps then you can tell us all about the Al-Asqa Martyrs Brigade and the EU.

Not sure of the connection, then let me explain...

Every month (note that every month) our *cough* beloved *cough* EU sends 10m euros to the Palestinian Authority under the cover of paying their wages. This money is then transferred into accounts owned by the Al-asqa Martrys, who are currently on the EU's list of known terrorist organisations.

The payments were stopped at some point last year after a German MEP - Armin Laschet - raised questions. The comission assured the MEPs that these payments were being monitored by the IMF, and so the money started pouring out of EU taxpayers pockets and into those of the Palestinian Authority and subsequently our terrorist friends again.

Unfortunately for the EU, the IMF claim that they do not monitor such payments.

The matter is likely to be addressed again by the EU shortly once another MEP - Charles Tannock - manages to get the 157 signatures to force the issue to the floor. Something which certain members of the Commission are trying to prevent.


Whoops.

As a side issue I have another question. Why on earth are the EU paying the PA's wages bill, and how does this help the citizen's of the EU, in whose interests they are supposed to be acting...?

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Fasinating MOK. That's how the IRA raised funds in American...under the guise of helping poor European children.

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Probably for the same reasons that even the US has paid Arafat ten times the amount you quoted in the 80's and 90's without any monitoring. It's all about what is on paper not necessarily determining the underlying motivations of our leaders and their own vested interests.

One can see a similar dynamic at work in the war on drugs in which our governments have been on record for decades condemning the trade and swearing to eliminate it, yet all the while supporting those who proliferate the drugs and the regimes which protect the producers. This is a big profit inductry and many of our leaders past and present have had their careers funded to some extent with the proceeds therefrom.

A very good case for duplicity which i would wholeheartedly agree with you on.

In order to maintain a balanced perspective on this though, one has to concede the fact that to many/ Al Aqsa are not terrorists but resistance fighters bent on avenging the killing of Palestinian civilians by the IDF, regardless of what our resident militants might like to believe. Not every war is fought on a battlefield soldier v. soldier, and in many uprisings its the civilians that both sides target simply because they can.

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Originally posted by Clandestine
Not every war is fought on a battlefield soldier v. soldier, and in many uprisings its the civilians that both sides target simply because they can.

So, you support murder and terrorism?

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No, but I support the right of people to fight back on whatever terms the proactive aggressor has set and since Israel has no qualms about firing missiles or artillery shells into populated civilian areas, bulldozing buildings onto women and children, or gunning down juvenile rock throwers with lethal ammunition, id say theyve surrendered any constraint that one might expect in the situation.

Both sides have made this what it is and both sides have proven they care little for peace. So either both sides are terrorists or neither side is.

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Very good point Clandestine. Although remember, if you are an 'official' government or its acting army you cannot possibly, ever, be guilty of terrorism

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Originally posted by Clandestine
Both sides have made this what it is and both sides have proven they care little for peace. So either both sides are terrorists or neither side is.

*concurs*

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Originally posted by Aladdin
Very good point Clandestine. Although remember, if you are an 'official' government or its acting army you cannot possibly, ever, be guilty of terrorism

Correct. Governments are guilty of warcrimes and crimes against humanity instead.

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Terrorism IS crime against humanity. LOL.

You really are incapable of understanding the full implications of terms Greeny.

Only you could excuse it because its done by a state. Terrorism is terrorism whoever carries it out.

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Not excusing it. Just clarifying what each definition is.

Find me an example of a nation or nation's representatives accused and convicted of "terrorism".

It isn't very hard to find examples of a nation or nation's representatives accused and convicted of warcrimes or crimes against humanity.

It isn't very hard to find examples of non-state organizations or their representatives accused and convicted of terrorism.

Sovereign nations have powers and rights that those organizations do not have. That is reality, and failure to admit that sovereignty makes any difference is a request for chaos.

Oh, and maybe you should go back to school for logic. Terrorism may be a crime against humanity, it is not the only one.

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And yet you like ol Bushie boy have no problems confusing terminology when applied to Iraq and Saddam's regime. lol.

Utter hypocrisy, or as they say "straining at gnats".

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Am I the Bushie boy? Actually I have very little body hair so far. One thing odd that's happening in the US is that the more evidence is brought to the attention of the US public, the more people are equating France as an enabler of Saddam who undermined the food and medicine for oil deal and sold Saddam technology that he can use against America.