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Keep dreaming.
Get the UN resolution calling for their disarmament first.
Get them to sign a ceasefire agreement agreeing to it.
Then we'll start talking about it.
Just a side issue, but the Queen decides who will be Prime Minister and not the electorate. Fortunately, she has always chosen the leader of the party with the most votes.
Not that he supports terrorism or anything...
We can start with the Sharon govt and move to much more remote regions/countries with very little break in the record.
Eh?
1991 ceasefire and subsequent - numerous - resolutions.
Or don't these count? Certainly the UN seems to think that they do.
You said Saddam supports terrorism and my response was to that point. The preceding points were non-contentious and thus not addressed.
Lets look at how black the kettle is (on the score of support for terrorism) shall we, before pointing out how black the pot is! Especially since no Western intelligence agency has confirmed this particular allegation.
This is coming from a fairly transparent media muddling of terms and issues in an effort to confuse the public into thinking that this invasion pertains to the WoT, which it does not. But you can believe the spin if truth isnt what you seek.
And identify the specific form of support.
Your sources need to be better than they have been so far.
Plus all the logistical, intelligence and military support the CIA has given to terrorists/guerillas in Central and South America and elsewhere.
And before you say it, I (and most people) count state terrorism (Israel) and crimes against humanity committed by members of the military (Chile) as forms of terrorism against the population.
Frankly I'd find your own blindness to the truth (as maleable as you like to make it) laughable if it wasnt so in line with those in the political establishment who are paving the way for a violent and insecure future for our children and the planet.
As for citations, well Ive provided a mountain of links in the long period that youve merely flapped your gums, waved your gun, and made snide remarks. So you go and do some research into the history of US backing for the groups of which even you should be aware (and include the Contras, and Pol Pot while youre at it) like a good little boy and maybe, just maybe you might learn something... though given all we've ever seen from you and those like you, I highly doubt it.
Isn't state-sponsored terrorism tantamount to war?
Hypocrisy is part and parcel of the whole process, surely.
On both sides.
Like yours, Clandestine, when it comes to the duplicity of those nations who support your cause.
Im sure not only governments but members of the general public the world over support that. The rest is just incidental to that.
There is no evidence of military or any other support of the Taliban (the provision of humanitarian aid doesn't qualify). The Contras were not terrorists (their targets were Nicaraguan military targets). Israel and Chile are gov'ts and not terrorists as a result (just as the North Vietnamese were not, despite their tactics).
As for CIA aid in Central and South America, you need to provide some proof that such aid went to terrorists.
Oh, and I guess you have managed to poll at least half the population of the world in order to know what most people think, eh Aladdin?
Great at making accusations. Prove them.
Seems the definition of terrrorist is only applicable when you or George Bush says it is, eh ol Boy?
Hate to burst your bubble but the Contras, like their more southern couterparts The Shining Path, killed numerous civilians in the course of that struggle. Because they won with our help though, nahhhh lets just sugar coat the reality of what went on and pretend it was all good and just.
You are a revisionist par execellent!
For those who want to know the reality of that particular gem of American media revisionism and military coverup, sink your teeth into this as an appetiser...
http://www.wakeupmag.co.uk/articles/cia5.htm
Wasn't bad enough we backed Samoza and his death squads (who killed thousands of civilians), Greeny here thinks that's just a day's work... hardly terrorism eh ol hypocrit? :eek2:
Come on, if it is so easy, you should be able to present proof that would stand up in a court of law. So many opportunities if we are to believe you. So where is it? :rolleyes:
And funny too how you do not seem to recognise the term 'state terrorism', even though everybody else does.
In Afghanistan my friend you've supported pretty much anyone who was fighting the Russians, Taleban or not. You could argue that they were fighting an army and therefore were no terrorists. And you would have a point; but in that case I wouldn't expect you to condemn either as terrorism a Hamas bomb attack that kills Israeli soldiers at a bus stop. Can we expect that in the future from you?
In case of Chile it wasn't even a government that you helped. Just a bunch of deranged evil bastards captained by one of the most ruthless murderers of the 20th century that you kindly assisted in toppling the DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED government of the time. But hey, Allende was a left winger so your actions were completely justified.
I guess I cannot prove the CIA's support of various groups throughout the world any more than you can prove to me we really sent a man to the Moon. In reality however we all know the likeness of both things to have or have not happened.
I lose a little more respect for our soldiers every day because of spin doctors like yourself Greeny. You are a discredit to everything our nation was meant to stand for.
Not when it is convenient. When their attacks target civilians vs. military targets.
Everybody? Now you've polled the entire world?
Funny thing...no one suggested trying Milosovec as a terrorist...warcrimes and crimes against humanity were the charges..
The Taliban did not exist when the Russians were in Afghanistan. Little research there, Aladdin. And if the Hamas would restrict their attacks to military targets, I would consider them guerillas/freedom fighters, not terrorists. Of course, they don't do that, do they?
Continued accusations without any proof. Not even a witness (I can provide both scientific evidence and witnesses to the fact that NASA put men on the moon).
Actually, I'd say the funnier thing is your insistence that Bush provide proof for his allegations (even as the evidence mounts up), while you continue to be unable to provide any proof of your allegations.
Keep the mindless personal attacks coming ol boy, its all youre capable of.
By the way if you have definitive proof that we landed on the Moon I'd like to see it... and you might also show it to the millions of people out there who don't believe we did, because NASA has so far failed in their efforts to convince them otherwise and they really could do with some concrete proof.
But be careful: since every time someone has provided reports that prove wrongdoing by the US or Israel you have dismissed them as lies, whatever proof you provided could get the same treatment...
Fair enough about the Taleban not being formed in the Soviet occupation; however the very maniacs that went on to form the Taleban were certainly amongst the collection of unsavoury types you armed then.
And since there are so many bombings in Israel, not only by Hamas but by other organisations and even committed individuals, I would expect from now on you will classify bombers who kill soldiers as freedom fighters or guerillas, and bombers who kill civilians as terrorists. Only fair don’t you think?
How clever of you... if we take the example of the butcher of Tel Aviv (or even his forces acting without his orders) shooting at unarmed civilians and committing all types of atrocities, you dare to dismiss the accounts of dozens of humanitarian organisations as lies. You've even claimed that respected organisations such as Amnesty or the Red Cross were telling porkies. Anyone who is not hopelessly biased would find that laughable. But then since Sharon is never going to go to trial for his acts we're never going to be able to obtain the evidence in court you deem the only valid proof are we?
It's a shame you apply this trick selectively and haven't demanded that, for example, Osama bin Laden was held in trial before the US decided he and Al Qaeda were responsible for 9/11 and dropped 50,000 tonnes of bombs over Afghanistan.
When will you make the trip to Florida? You'll be provided with scientific data, the opportunity to speak with witnesses to the landing and others who will explain the physics involved in certain parts of the communications process with the Apollo Spacecraft, what that means, and what they witnessed. If you wish, you can arrange for psychological evaluation of each witness (at your expense of course) to ensure that they have not "imagined" what they will describe.
The only people who fail to believe the evidence are those who believe that thousands of people can be kept quiet about the truth. The same kinds of people who believe in rediculous conspiracy theories without considering how impossible it is to maintain the secrecy required for the conspiracy to work.
Absolutely fair. Assuming the organization that we are discussing strictly targets military (individuals to be dealt with on an individual basis is fine). Hamas would not qualify obviously. Neither would the PLO. Both target civilians. Both are terrorist organizations.
The advantage of having Bin Laden take credit of his own free will of other terrorist attacks on the United States...
Just another good little flag waving puppet for the Pentagon to use to do whatever dirty work our industrial elites deem necessary, however atrocious or anti-deomcratic that might be in real terms.
The US heartland is filled with such ready made yeehaws ready to kill without question and to defend it all as Patriotism.
Just leave him and those like him to rant, thats what I shall do henceforth. When the messes they make breed even more regional or global conflict, theyll conveniently dodge all resposnsibility and blame it on someone else or revise history and wait for the media to cloud the issues beyond all ability to maintain substantive public debate.
What he has done in the past is sufficient reason for him to be brought to justice. That would be admissable in a court of law.
He did say all that. That's proof of his wonderful, inspired leadership to radical Muslim types.