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Palestine OR Isreal.
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There's been a lot of talk about Palestinians on the site. I'd like to discussion the idea that there's a lot of Arabs that don't just want a Palestine...they want there to be no Isreal.
Right now the economy of the entire area is a mess. And where are the protests against suicide bombers. Not for the sake of Isreal but because the Palestinians. They are letting their kids be used by Saddam, Iran and Syria for political purposes.
Logically because of the much higher birth rate of the Palestinians, to believe that Isreal wouldn't want a Palestine is crazy. If Isreal is to be a Jewish state, a Palestine THAT RESPECTS ISREAL'S RIGHT TO EXIST, would be good for Isreal. And if all of these Arab countries were so concerned for the Palestinians, why don't they invest in the region? Saudi Arabia invested over $700 million in America last year.
Why can't Saudi Arabia go to Isreal and say we're going to build this factory in the West Bank to provide this good to Isreal, Jordan and whoever else. And Isreal can have access to it anytime to see that whatever this factory is producing is non-lethal. Wouldn't that be a start to a Palestine? And good jobs for Arabs in an Arab area? That's just one productive idea. Right now the only jobs Arabs are providing to the Palestinians is suicide bombing. Kinda hard to build a life on death.
Right now the economy of the entire area is a mess. And where are the protests against suicide bombers. Not for the sake of Isreal but because the Palestinians. They are letting their kids be used by Saddam, Iran and Syria for political purposes.
Logically because of the much higher birth rate of the Palestinians, to believe that Isreal wouldn't want a Palestine is crazy. If Isreal is to be a Jewish state, a Palestine THAT RESPECTS ISREAL'S RIGHT TO EXIST, would be good for Isreal. And if all of these Arab countries were so concerned for the Palestinians, why don't they invest in the region? Saudi Arabia invested over $700 million in America last year.
Why can't Saudi Arabia go to Isreal and say we're going to build this factory in the West Bank to provide this good to Isreal, Jordan and whoever else. And Isreal can have access to it anytime to see that whatever this factory is producing is non-lethal. Wouldn't that be a start to a Palestine? And good jobs for Arabs in an Arab area? That's just one productive idea. Right now the only jobs Arabs are providing to the Palestinians is suicide bombing. Kinda hard to build a life on death.
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Doesn't seem to bother them to integrate the palestinian refugees which they have, into their society. Neither did they seem to bothered once they had control over Gaza and the Westbank, to hand it over to the Palestinians.
None of that has happened. As a matter of fact, the Palestinians have been thrown out of some of those countries above.
Now, what is the point to all that? Simple actually. The Palestinians are a tool used by the Arab leadership to maintain focus on Israel as a foe instead of those same leaders. Those leaders want the current situation to exist, and should Israel disappear, they will want the Palestinians to disappear as well. Simply to maintain the status quo and avoid having the "touble-makers" incite revolution in their countries.
If you really think any Arab nation would be able to negotiate the return of a square inch of land by Israel for the creation of a Palestinian nation then you're rather naive. Let alone the occupied territories, Israel still refuses to return the Golan Heights or the so-called buffer zones it nicked despite continuous efforts and pleas not only by the nations concerned but by the whole international community.
The fact is that the current government of Israel is not interested in negotiations because they don't have any intention of allowing the creation of a Palestinian State, however small. This is the reason why illegal settlements keep growing and growing like the malign tumors they are over more and more areas of the occupied territories, driven by the zionist belief that the whole of Palestine belongs to the Jewish race by Divine fucking Right.
Regardless of settlements, there will be more Arabs in Isreal than Jews. So a peaceful Palestine is a good thing. And if it's peaceful...maybe Palestinians can start enjoying a higher standard of living.
Certainly the Bush administration for all its talk of a road map is unlikely to be an agent of change in the region apart from blowing up random Arab countries.
pnj, yes, I have much more faith in the potential for a resolution to this overly longrunning conflict if Labour gains the majority. Only when Israel is prepared to respect the UN resolutions with full compliance can they ever hope to attain the moral high ground that they want in dealing with non-cooperative elements within the Palestinian ranks.
I don't know how to handle positivity towards me. :cool:
Just about every Arab state that has taken Palestinians have thrown them out usually after shooting the crap out of them.
Jordan is part of the old palestine and Jordan in the late 60's massacred thousand before chucking the evil bunch of shits out.
What a great future we'll have adhering to that brand of political thinking! :rolleyes:
I on the other hand find this behaviour disgusting and inhumane as AI have.
If you care so much about them instead of gobbing off on a computer (middle class are we ?) bugger of over there and help them.
Clandestine doesn't do experience and real-life, he does the lip (or should I say typing?) action...
Are you aware of what the various "resistance" fighters accross Europe did during and after WW2. Those allegations could equally be levelled against them you know...
So, if you have a computer and support the Palestinains in their fight for rights, you must be middle class?
But obviously not if you have a computer but don't support their rights?
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My memory fails me.
Who was it - exactly - that started that war, which brought about the capture of those territories?
Such a lesson there... Bungle up your attempt, then go to court to get back what you lost through incompetence. Must be the leftist way...
Yes I'm well aware. But we are talking about now not 50 odd years ago.
No not really, what I should have said was, stop gobbing off in the comfort of your nice little home far from the reality of it all.
So... are we to blindly accept that everything which transpired prior to your birth is irrelevent? If it happened before the advent of the internet, it isn't "real"?
Reality check.
By your "reasoning", to those born tomorrow, YOU are irrelevent.
Remember that trite little truism concerning "those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it"? You are well upon your way to proving it.
WTC, Acts I & II, the Cole, and an endless stream of other events could be described (by some) as the actions of "resistance fighters". If you think that "resistence fighters are "irrelevant" or "inconsequential", then you are doomed to the just reward of your individual ignorance.
Talk to me of the justice in apache helicopter attack, tanks, shooting with military assault rifles of women and children that number into the hundreds if not thousands for random handfuls of civilians who they hit back in retribution. Seems like the kind of thing done by Nazis to towns and villages that showed resistance in WWII (since WWII analogies seem to be your preference).
I think you must be terrorified that Labour would roll back the settlements and honour the UN resolutions of complete pullback. God forbid anyone should have to be the first to stop the cycle of violence especially poor hated Israel. The littany my dear demeans Israel by always adopting the victim role. Perhaps pro-active obligations have been shelved for too long and its time to return to some visionary action from Israel.
For your info, despite my criticism of current Israeli politics in line with current US politics, I would prefer to see Israel flourish in peace alongside a flourishing Palestine and we arent getting any nearer as long as bullets fly and people are besieged.