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Atheists pray when crashing in the air?

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  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    EXACTLY! and itis just so wrong to spend your whole time trying to tell others to believe in something just because you do!
    we have free wil and many people choose not to believe in fairy tales.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    i believe that there is some higher force/being, but im not religious. Religion is just brainwashing, and none of it rings true with me. I sometimes pray, but im not sure quite what im praying to. I dont know for sure if it helps or not, but it gives me a little comfort.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    So what is this higher force?

    is it the power of nature? Is it fate? is it a being in a white robe?

    I like the American Idea that the planet is a living breathing powerful thing, but I'm not going to pray to it!

    I cannot belive that there was/Is a god but I can believe there was probably a man with a name that sounded something like Jesus who was a medicine man or something. But I'm not going to pray to him either because he's dead and he didn't really do anything special.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Lets imagine, just for a while, that life on Earth is destroyed (by whatever means).

    Now, fast forward a few millennia, when visitors from other planets visit the, now barren, Earth.

    Now, what if the only surviving thing they find is, say, a Superman comic.
    Would they take this to mean that an all powerfull, almost indestructable, being lived on Earth....was revered by millions.....saved humanity on countless occassion.

    Would Superman be a religious icon?

    Why not? after all....it was written in a book, surely it must be true.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by byny
    EXACTLY! and itis just so wrong to spend your whole time trying to tell others to believe in something just because you do!
    we have free wil and many people choose not to believe in fairy tales.

    I really do hope, that you do know that not all religious people are doing that.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Just meaning the ones on this thread that are trying to do that...natch
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Can I quote Balddog at this point...
    Religion = shit

    Pretty much sums it up. Blind faith is a dangerous thing...
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Man Of Kent
    Blind faith is a dangerous thing...

    Will agree on that statement, but not on the "religion=shit" part.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Mmmmm...I think anyone who wants people to repect the fact that they don't believe should have respect for those who do have faith...otherwise how can they demand respect! And vice versa...
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Jacqueline the Ripper


    Will agree on that statement, but not on the "religion=shit" part.

    Perhaps I should qualify that statement, it was referring to organised religion...

    What always makes me smile (in an ironic sense) is that organised religion spends so much time with its hand out. I just see it as a massive scam...

    And the morals of the various church "leaders"...
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Man Of Kent


    Perhaps I should qualify that statement, it was referring to organised religion...

    Would you care to define your sense organised religion?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Jacqueline the Ripper
    Would you care to define your sense organised religion?

    As an example: Any which believes in the "one true book", be that the Koran, Bible, Torah etc or portrays themselves as the "one true faith".

    I'm not saying that people shouldn't have faith, I'm saying that the faith is abused by the organisations which represents the various religions.

    Much of it is based on teachings from centuries ago - hell we laugh at "new" religions - and I hold it with curiousity rather than reverence.

    It's a personal thing, and I don't condemn people for having faith, I condemn those who abuse it, or claim that it means that they are "right" as a result...
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    This is my sense of organised religion: Christianity, Judaism, Islam et al . Religions with endless rules about membership, how life should be conducted, penalties and horrible threats to those who don't comply or dare to question the validity of the said belief... All based in their respective collection of fairy tales, myths and legends.

    A sense of religion, the belief that the world and us were created by a superior being, it is not necessarily a bad thing. However it is clear that humans have always taken this thought further and developed it into an extremely dangerous and lethal tool used to control and abuse the people for several millennia now.

    Just because there might be a superior being that created life it doesn't mean he is still alive, or that he demands we pay constant worship to him, get married and refrain from having sexual relations out of wedlock, try to convert other people to the faith in question, slaughter them if they refuse, etc etc etc.

    It's deeply rooted in human nature to use people's fear and ignorance as a means of control and power over them. This is what the said religions are all about, and it doesn't take a genius to work out that if there really was a God, an all-knowing with infinite wisdom being out there, he'd be utterly disgusted at organised religion.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Fair enough, I won't argue on the fact that many religious leaders have exploited their position in disgusting ways, and that yes this is not something which God (whatever he/she/it might be) would support.

    But that doesn't mean that I am against religion as such.

    For starters I don't believe that two people can percieve their common religion as exactly the same. So even when it's "organised" (I don't like that term, as basically my idea with religion has always been that it's a personal issue) it's something unique.

    The religion I am most familiar with is Judaism. And I've always been told, both by more "moderate" jews to the orthodox ones, that a general thought in Judaism, isn't to rule out other religions, but merely that Judaism is the religion applying best for the jews. It's in fact "forbidden" to missionaire outside of jewish circles, and when people do come to convert into Judaism, they get declined 3 times, to check how sure they are about commiting themselves. Though, when a person has converted according to the laws of the Halacha (the oral teachings, which have been passed on, and then written down) then this person is fully concidered a jew.

    The religious teachings are full of rules. Some to be taken more seriously than others. But on the whole, I don't recall any threats being made if "you don't keep this".
    These are rules made to fit, what then seemed to be right and apropriate and best.
    Some rules still apply today, some are highly irrlevant.
    There are 613 "good deeds" in Judaism. Those are not written up like rules, but as a proper thing to do. Though it's known, that no-one can keep them all.

    I don't know exactly how Christianity and Islam looks at these points. But I am sure that the basic thought in religion isn't to cause evil, but to help people get on with their lives. In some cases it has succeeded, in others not (can give examples on where religion has been succesfull, and where it hasn't, from my own family).
    But I wouldn't generalise and say that all religion is shit.

    Btw Mok, Torah is the same as saying Bible, just in Hebrew :)
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    I don't even know my Bible, let alone other religions' text books, but I can think of restrictions and rules in the Jewish and Muslim faiths as well. Some of them might be of little relevance or importance, but restrictions they are. From not being able to work or drive on the Sabbath, to fasting during Ramadan, to not being allowed to eat pork... I mean, does anyone seriously think that a being blessed with infinite wisdom and understanding is really going to give a shit whether people eat bacon for breakfast?

    These are the less serious rules. Then we have the more serious issues such the religion in question's position on out-of-wedlock relationships, homosexuality, cohabitation and to those who embrace it; 'god-given' land and willingness to expulse or kill those from other faiths who dare to live in that land, and many other things.

    Of course, Torah, Bible or Koran don't necessarily say these things should happen. But it is clear that is the way religious leaders and fanatics want to see it. For as long as we have these religions there will be people prepared to exploit them and control others with it. I don't think that is ever going to change.

    Mankind would be so much better off without them.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Originally posted by Aladdin

    Of course, Torah, Bible or Koran don't necessarily say these things should happen. But it is clear that is the way religious leaders and fanatics want to see it. For as long as we have these religions there will be people prepared to exploit them and control others with it. I don't think that is ever going to change.

    Mankind would be so much better off without them.

    To be honest, I think that these things would still occur if we didn't have religion. People would then use political stances or ideologies to gain undeserved power.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Re: That classic book is very good
    Originally posted by Aisha
    if you want to just be like an ostrich and hide your head in the sand, fine, be my guest.

    If you put sand, cement, mortar, etc in a bag and shake it, can you create a house? Or do you need an architect, a builder, etc? To believe the Universe just came into being is more absurd than instead believe there was a master creator - can you see a flaw?

    67:3 He Who created the seven heavens one above another: No want of proportion wilt thou see in the Creation of (God) Most Gracious. So turn thy vision again: seest thou any flaw?
    67:4 Again turn thy vision a second time: (thy) vision will come back to thee dull and discomfited, in a state worn out.

    How did Muhammad know about Embryology? Had a microscope hidden away in the sand?
    http://users.erols.com/ameen/amazingq.htm#embryo
    http://users.erols.com/ameen/amazingq.htm

    Aisha, I think you are the one who hides your head in the sand. If you think the Qur'an is accurate in Science, here are a few examples of how inaccurate your Holy Book is :-

    1) In Sura 27:18-19 Solomon overhears a conversation of ants. Fact is that ants do not use sound but smell to communicate.

    2) The Qur'an teaches that there are seven heavens one above the other [67:3, 71:15], and that the stars are in the lower heaven [67:5, 37:6, 41:12], but the moon is depicted as being in/inside the seven heavens [71:16], even though in reality the stars are much further away from the earth than the moon.

    3) Regarding "How did Muhammad know about Embryology?". What about The Quran's highly controversial statement that human beings are formed from a clot of blood. "Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump; then We made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh" (23:14). This is hardly a scientific description of embryonic development. It ignores to mention the female egg (the second and equally important half) and the process of fertilization when egg and sperm unite to form one new cell. It mentions the obvious [the sperm], the visible, that which all mankind knew for a long time that it is necessary to "make" a baby. The Qur'an does NOT mention the invisible, that which we know only through modern medicine. Had God really wanted to reveal something nobody could know at that time, in order to prove the divine origin of his revelation, he would have talked e.g. about the "equal contribution of the female through the ovum to form the new person and how the two come together and form one being".

    4) Throwing Stars at the Devils?
    "And We have (from of old), adorned the lowest heaven with lamps, and we have made such (Lamps as) missiles to drive away Satans, ... -- Sura 67:5
    We have indeed decked the lower heaven with beauty (in) the stars, (for beauty) and for guard against all obstinate rebellious Satans. (So) they should not strain their ears in the direction of the Exalted Assembly but be cast away from every side.
    -- Sura 37:6-8" See also Suras 15:16-18, 55:33-35 etc. which seem to speak about the same thing.
    The stars were created by Allah as missiles to throw at the devils? In order to not let them eavesdrop on the heavenly council? Not exactly a "scientific" world view.

    Do you want me to go on Aisha? Don't be blinded by what your religon presents to you just because it is the religon of your ancestors. Islam has as many faults as any other. Use the enquiring mind you were born with. I'm not saying turn your back on Islam but just remember it is NOT the uncontestable book you seem to think it is.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Re: The Bible Quran and Science
    Originally posted by Aisha
    [BHe also explained if Muhammad had copied his Book from the Jews and Christians how was it possible not a single error was copied across. [/B]

    Okay then ... explain this! The Qur'an says that the calf worshipped by the Israelites at mount Horeb was moulded by a Samaritan (Sura 20:85-87, 95-97). Yet the term `Samaritan' was not coined until 722 B.C., which is several hundred years after the events recorded in Exodus. Thus, the Samaritan people could not have existed during the life of Moses, and therefore, could not have been responsible for moulding the calf.

    You want more? You tell me - I give you more!
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Six or eight days of creation?
    Originally posted by Aisha
    You posted mis-information about the Qur'an. You said 7 days. You show me that in the Qur'an and I'll send you a new Audi TT. It's 6 not 7.

    I can't show you 7 but the Qur'an doesn't know whether it's 6 or 8! Duh!

    Sura 7:54, 10:3, 11:7, and 25:59 clearly say that God created "the heavens and the earth" in six days. But then there is also the following passage:

    Say: Is it that ye deny Him Who created the earth in TWO Days And do ye join equals with Him? He is the Lord of (all) the Worlds.

    (2 days plus)

    He set on the (earth), mountains standing firm, high above it,and bestowed blessings on the earth, and measure therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, in FOUR Days in accordance with (the needs of) those who seek (Sustenance).

    Moreover He comprehended in His design the sky, and it had been (as) smoke: He said to it and to the earth: "Come ye together, willingly or unwillingly." They said: "We do come (together), in willing obedience."

    (4 days plus)

    So He completed them as seven firmaments in TWO Days, and He assigned to each heaven its duty and command. And We adorned the lower heaven with lights, and (provided it) with guard. Such is the Decree of (Him) the Exalted in Might, Full of Knowledge.
    -- Sura 41:9-12 (Yusuf Ali)
    (2 days)

    Altogether these are EIGHT Days.

    Two days for the creation of the earth, then four days to fill the earth with mountains, blessings and nourishment for all its inhabitants, and in the end two more days to create the seven heavens and create the stars in them. This adds up to 2+4+2 = 8 days in contradiction to the 6 days mentioned in the other verses.

    Does this qualify for an Audi TT? Just the basic, bottom of the range model will do ... thank you!
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    No Audi for you

    You haven't even bothered to look at that book I linked to. This should be OBJECTIVE as it's a CHRISTIAN writer. IF it was a Muslim you might have an excuse. All you have done is gone to a missionary site and looked for some "errors" and neither researched whether those claims are true or false yourself. These have been refutated over the centuries by scholars. You might say well there's answers for all the "errors" in the Bible too, somewhere by someone. But you miss an important point. ONLY the Fundamentalist insists the Bible today is inerrant, rest of the Christians and Muslims believe the same that it contains God's word and man's. In Jacqueline's thread "Validity of the Bible" it's been discussed. Nowhere does the Bible demand from the reader to prove it false OR CLAIM it is perfect. The Qur'an is FILLED with this. Then it makes it something worthwhile to study. God is perfect and any revelation should be perfect - in that remarkable verse (which no other scripture has)

    Do they not consider the Qur'an (with care)? Had it been from other than God, they would surely have found therein much discrepancy. 4:82

    The seriousness of this is evident. It is not human nature to sit an exam and be SO confident to write to the examiner at the top "find an error in this answer book".

    Your points are all answered here. Do a Ctrl+F and search for a particular point.
    http://www.answering-christianity.com/quran/quranerr.htm

    Your last point I actually have on video on a question and answer session on a dialogue about the Qur'an and the Bible. It's like saying
    Hand out 2 dollars, that's 2
    Hand out 2 dollars, that's 4 (2+2 from above)
    Hand out 2 dollars, that's 2= 8 days but it's actually 6.

    You quote Yusuf Ali's translation (the most popular English one (had you looked at the notes you would have found an explanation). Again go to the link above.

    The argument the Qur'an is wrong as it contradicts the Bible is flawed. Shall we say the Bible is flawed because it contradicts something in scriptures prior to it? What is important is the authenticity and preservation of the revelation.

    As for the religion of your ancestors - this is precisely what the Qur'an talks about, that one should search and be objective and not just assume one's fathers are right. After a degree in comparative religion and 3 years of study I concluded Islam is indeed the Truth.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Re: No Audi for you
    Originally posted by Aisha
    It's like saying
    Hand out 2 dollars, that's 2
    Hand out 2 dollars, that's 4 (2+2 from above)
    Hand out 2 dollars, that's 2= 8 days but it's actually 6.

    Where do you get 8 from that?
    4+2=6
    After a degree in comparative religion and 3 years of study I concluded Islam is indeed the Truth.
    So, in 3 years, you have managed to do what schollars havent been able to do in millenia.
    Well done, you must be so proud.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Re: No Audi for you
    Originally posted by Aisha
    After a degree in comparative religion and 3 years of study I concluded Islam is indeed the Truth.

    Can I ask how old you are?
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Ants in detail

    This style of argument is just plain sophomoric, which is typical of the missionary genre. The person is relying upon an English translation of the Qur'ân which no Muslim relies upon. Unlike the Christians' New Testament which has no Aramaic original, nor even a Greek codex from the 1st century CE, the Qur'ân has always been in Arabic as it is today and this is the standard throughout the world. Even orientalists with half a brain quote from the Arabic text..

    > 1) In Sura 27:18-19 Solomon overhears a conversation of ants.
    > Fact is that ants do not use sound but smell to communicate.

    This is ridiculous. Ever heard of a "miracle" associated with something called a "prophet"?? If Moses can part the Red Sea, Solomon hearing the communication of ants is nothing. If you will notice the guy conveniently fails to quote the verses, but only makes wild assumptions about them without quoting them. Here is the verse:

    (18) hattâ ithâ âtû `alâ wâdi-namlî qâlat namlatun yâ ayyuha-namlû-dkhulû masâkinakum lâ yahtimannakum sulaymânû wa junûduhû wa-hum lâ yash`urûn.

    (19) fa-tabassama dâhika(n)-min qawlihâ wa qâla rabbî awzi`nî ann ashkura ni`mataka-llatî an`amta `alayya wa `alâ wâlidayya wa ann a`mala sâlihan tardâhû wa-adkhilnî bi-rahmatika fî `ibâdika-sâlihîn.
    This is the translation:

    (18) Until when they reached a valley of namlî, one of the namlatun conveyed: O you company of namlû go into your dwellings lest Solomon and his armies crush you unbeknownst to them.

    (19) So he smiled, amused by her message, and said: O my Lord! Order me that I may be grateful for Your favours which you have bestowed on me and on my parents, and that I may work righteousness that will please You. And admit me, by Your Grace, to the ranks of Your righteous servants."

    First of all we have the word "naml" in Arabic which is a word for ants as well as termites in the Arabic language. Ants are usually called in Arabic "an-Naml al-Abyad" meaning "the white ant".

    The antagonist (typically) makes the following fallacious assumptions:

    1) Ants do not communicate by sound.

    Not only do ants communicate by sound , but termites are specifically known to communicate by sound. Regarding ants their acoustic communication has been thoroughly researched and documented in a study from Robert Hickling, National Center for Physical Acoustics University of Mississippi and Richard L. Brown, Department of Entomology and Plant Pathology, Mississippi State University entitled "Nearfield acoustic communication by ants".

    Not only did they document ant sounds, here's the devastating blow to this missionary nonsense, they recorded the sounds YOU can hear on the web at the following URL:

    http://home.olemiss.edu/~hickling/

    Here it is..

    Stridulation Sounds of Black Fire Ants (Solenopsis richteri) in Different Situations
    Alarm signal generated by black fire ants when a microphone probe is inserted into their mound.
    Normal movement sounds of a group of ants with occasional bursts of stridulation sound from a single ant.
    Sounds of ants attacking a caterpillar with stridulation sound from a single ant.
    Distress signals emitted by a single major worker with a caught antenna.

    Now that absolutely ends the argument right there. But to take it even a step further, scholars of Qur'ânic hermeneutics have stated that due to the preceding verses it can be strongly adduced that these ants are winged termites. In verse 27:16 which is 2 verses before the topic of this discussion Solomon states: "`ullimnâ mantiqa-tayrî.." meaning, "we have been taught the mode of communication for those things which fly (birds, etc)". The word "Tayr" literally means to fly as an airplane is also called "Tayr" in the Arabic language, as is a bird. This is the opinion of ash-Shu`bî as related in al-Qurtubî's tafsîr, vol. 13 who states: "These Namlah had two wings, thus they were categorized as Tayr.." I use the word "naml" instead of "ant" and "things that fly" instead of "bird", since the English translations have failed to capture these linguistic nuances which must be explained. It is well known that termites communicate by sound and this does not require any posting of a research paper. Even the Orkin pest control guy knows that they do.

    Now to take it even futher, the word used in verses 18-19 for communication are inflections of the word "qâl". This word does not only mean to speak, but also to convey something or to make sound. The cognate for this word in previous scriptures is also "Qâl" in Aramaic and is found in the Book of Daniel in the following manner:

    "châzêh havêyt bê'dayin min-qâl millayyâ rabrebâtâ' dî qarnâ' memallelâh.."

    "I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake.." [Daniel 7:11]

    A talking horn? The notion of an inanimate HORN talking is even more absurd than an ant talking! You will often find that the Missionaries like to cast stones from glass houses. The fact is that these are miracles and you aren't supposed to try and "scientifically explain" them anyways. However, even when we do to answer the Missionaries' challenges they end up falling on their faces anyways.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Stop copy/pasting and answer the questions put to you.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    beats me how you can live your life thinking and talking this utter shite day and night. i hope you realy do get some big fat special reward from your god...but i am doubting this.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    she can't answer your questions because she's a blind follower of the religion of pieces.
    Originally posted by 10bellies
    Stop copy/pasting and answer the questions put to you.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    back to the original question. would a non believr pray as he was about die? simple answer is a big fat NO
    Anyone who prayed at such a time would be a believer or an ..i'm not so surer.
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Re: No Audi for you
    Originally posted by Aisha
    You haven't even bothered to look at that book I linked to. This should be OBJECTIVE as it's a CHRISTIAN writer. IF it was a Muslim you might have an excuse. All you have done is gone to a missionary site and looked for some "errors" and neither researched whether those claims are true or false yourself. These have been refutated over the centuries by scholars. You might say well there's answers for all the "errors" in the Bible too, somewhere by someone. But you miss an important point. ONLY the Fundamentalist insists the Bible today is inerrant, rest of the Christians and Muslims believe the same that it contains God's word and man's. In Jacqueline's thread "Validity of the Bible" it's been discussed. Nowhere does the Bible demand from the reader to prove it false OR CLAIM it is perfect. The Qur'an is FILLED with this. Then it makes it something worthwhile to study. God is perfect and any revelation should be perfect - in that remarkable verse (which no other scripture has)

    Do they not consider the Qur'an (with care)? Had it been from other than God, they would surely have found therein much discrepancy. 4:82

    The seriousness of this is evident. It is not human nature to sit an exam and be SO confident to write to the examiner at the top "find an error in this answer book".

    Your points are all answered here. Do a Ctrl+F and search for a particular point.
    http://www.answering-christianity.com/quran/quranerr.htm

    Your last point I actually have on video on a question and answer session on a dialogue about the Qur'an and the Bible. It's like saying
    Hand out 2 dollars, that's 2
    Hand out 2 dollars, that's 4 (2+2 from above)
    Hand out 2 dollars, that's 2= 8 days but it's actually 6.

    You quote Yusuf Ali's translation (the most popular English one (had you looked at the notes you would have found an explanation). Again go to the link above.

    The argument the Qur'an is wrong as it contradicts the Bible is flawed. Shall we say the Bible is flawed because it contradicts something in scriptures prior to it? What is important is the authenticity and preservation of the revelation.

    As for the religion of your ancestors - this is precisely what the Qur'an talks about, that one should search and be objective and not just assume one's fathers are right. After a degree in comparative religion and 3 years of study I concluded Islam is indeed the Truth.

    And YOU don't? You are such a deceitful liar!

    What about your post "Who really imitates Jesus?"? Was that your research?

    No, it is a direct cut and paste from an article about an obscure Westerner called Gary Miller (now known as Abdul-Ahad Omar) who allegedly converted to Islam and refuted Chrsitianity. Yes, I have used Internet resources to refute your ridiculous claims but nobody has done so more than you to promote your Islamic propaganda.

    Aisha, stop lying and being deceitful. You are doing your cause no good and people on this board can see through your wickedness.

    Islam is not the one true religon.

    Allah is not the one true God.

    Muhammed was never anything more than a man who invented a religon to achieve power.

    Deal with it!
  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Re: Ants in detail
    Originally posted by Aisha
    Not only did they document ant sounds, here's the devastating blow to this missionary nonsense, they recorded the sounds YOU can hear on the web at the following URL:

    http://home.olemiss.edu/~hickling/

    Here it is..

    Stridulation Sounds of Black Fire Ants (Solenopsis richteri) in Different Situations
    Alarm signal generated by black fire ants when a microphone probe is inserted into their mound.
    Normal movement sounds of a group of ants with occasional bursts of stridulation sound from a single ant.
    Sounds of ants attacking a caterpillar with stridulation sound from a single ant.
    Distress signals emitted by a single major worker with a caught antenna.

    Now that absolutely ends the argument right there.[\B]

    You stupid cow! Black Fire Ants come here from Argentina and/or Uruguay. So they could never have been the ants that Solomon listened to!

    Regarding termites, they communicate PRIMARILY by secreting chemicals called pheromones. So you're wrong again! So stop copying and pasting from Islamic apologetic web sites!

    And another thing, if you are going to take issue with me taking quotes from the Qu'ran that are inaccurate in translation or are taken out of context, I can say the same for you with the Bible. You're not a Hebrew or ancient Greek scholar either and you choose to quote Chrsitian scripture all the time without reading what went before or afterwards. Hypocrite!

    You want me to go to an Islamic propaganda site to get my answers? Fuck off! That's hardly unbiased, is it? You attack so called missionary sites but the Internet is littered with your type of Islamic propagandist drivel.

    Your time is up, Aisha. Everyone here knows that you're not on this board to have a healthy debate about anything but to use it as a springboard to promote your one-sided, biased Islamic religious viewpoint.

  • Former MemberFormer Member Posts: 1,876,324 The Mix Honorary Guru
    Aisha, after doing a-levels in sociology and geography, as well as GCSEs in science, i've concluded that religion is a crock of shit, Islam especially.
    Science and human ingenuity hold the keys to life, not religion. Get a new hobby.
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